Posted on 02/22/2024 7:53:40 AM PST by ebb tide
That’s a loaded question as I know I am different when it comes to defining things like occult. I tend to paint a wide brush on Babylonian too
Here’s some places I’d call occult
The Vatican
DC
Mecca
Medina
Jerusalem
Those are some of the HQs of the occult
Interestingly enough, they also make up the major Abrahamic religions after the last about 2,000 years described as demon possessed swine in the bible
Masonry would be in that too
Buddism
Hinduism
Wikka
Voodoo
Mormonism
Even modern
Protestantism..
Probably more but just off the top of my head..
I wouldn’t make any group happy..
I see Babylon much differently than others.
But I also don’t think today is Thor’s day to the God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob ..
I admit to thinking differently..
And seeing things differently.
I see the Vatican as an occult sun worshipping entity..
And that means the Mother and Daughters are in that same light..
No real difference between them and ancient Egypt in that regard..
My opinion of the Vatican and Papacy isn’t shared with other protesters of Rome because it would mean the fall of one’s closely held beliefs.
I wasn’t that threatened by abandoning Roman occult teachings and doctrines, right down to their calendar..
This kind of topic I find interesting, because I have no problem seeing the Vatican as occult.
And they apparently have an issue with Masonry while completely ignoring their own issues, is a funny twist.
Because I don’t see the Vatican and Masonry as anything but Babylonian
And Babylon eventually falls
And that includes a lot of religious thoughts and worship practices and rituals that end up in the dustpin of history too..
Amazing Grace is Amazing
I simply see the word occult as its Latin roots define it: hidden or secret.
An obelisk and pregnant dome building aren’t secrets and don’t mean much as symbols in the public square, but when the sun shines and that shadow of the male member touches the female womb..
That’s an opportunity for an occult ritual that’s triggered by a plain old activity of the sun doing its thing..
Hidden in plain sight..
I know that.
But neither hindus, muslims, buddhists, nor jews, and apparently you will, acknowledge God in the Holy Trinity.
So although there is only one God, you freemasons are not necessarily worshipping Him.
You worship an "architect", Catholics worship the Creator.
Tell me why Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and the Second Person of the Holy Trinity, is omitted from all your prayers and evil incantations in your lodges.
Well, except for the obvious association with ancient fertility reverence, I’ve never heard of this sun thing you mention.
But what *meaning* do you suppose is conveyed by your interpretation of this ‘giant dick and womb’ business?
Of course it is forbidden. Belief and profession of a Triune God is forbidden.
Apparently "fraternal ideals" take preference over "religion"..
That's down right scary; if not satanic.
First, I’m not a Freemason; I follow a slightly different ‘flavor’ of philosophy.
And I really don’t see much difference between an ‘architect’ and a ‘creator’. They reference the same kind of creative activity. (And do you think Jews are ‘evil’ because they sometimes become Freemasons and don’t believe in your Trinity?)
I don’t know about you, but I grew up being taught that discussing religion and politics is inappropriate in a number of settings. It always seemed like very good advice, to me.
It’s been nice talking to you, but you seem more ‘brainwashed’ about this subject than truly knowledgeable and thoughtful about it.
(I can very well see you, some hundreds of years ago, burning so-called ‘heretics’ at the stake.)
On FR there are so many dumb self righteous POS. They are uninformed and formulate opinions without knowledge or facts.
As a Mason one is required to believe in their own God. Not another’s. All men who profess their belief in their God or religion can join.
A Christian will be in a Christian lodge. A Muslim in a Muslim lodge.
All the mosonic hate began in the early 90s.
President Ford was last, and Washington the first.
All the capital cities in the West have masonic design in layouts or parks.
This stupidity arrived with along with the Christian social club movement, and the prosperity gospel that is anything but.
Just keep your comments as general postings rather than running your mouth. If your pastor told you he should have learned something in his seminary courses.
There was never a problem with masonry until it got in cross hairs of Marxists.
Christians like yourself are the poster child for a reason to not go to today’s church. You are a political type similar to those who killed Jesus.
Care to explain why you are not?
And I really don’t see much difference between an ‘architect’ and a ‘creator’.
Well, that's your first problem, but not the only one.
You really know nothing about Freemasonry, do you?
Do you just Polly-parrot what your Church has told you?
So you masons all believe in your own personal "gods"?
That's downright sick.
I know more than you. And you admitted your not a freemason.
You become incredibly insulting when someone disagrees with you.
You do not OWN God. Many men and women - as good or far better and more faithful than you are - belong to religions other than yours.
But you obviously have no respect for other people.
You don’t know a damn thing about Masons. Continue to be ignorant.
If you gave it some thought - fueled, of course, by your superior knowledge - you could figure out why I am not a Freemason and have sought a different avenue to the same essential philosophy.
I’m sorry but the Truth hurts.
It’s not “superior knowledge” to know that you are defending freemasonary.
My gawd, they infest everything. Because they know nothing they fail to grasp that a nudist or muslin would attend a lodge within their religious orientation or nation. That a Christian will attend a Christian lodge.
They hear the grand and think wizard or a belief in a higher being or profession of faith to one’s God as if they are in the middle of a holy war.
Because masonry spans the globe it does not demand you first have the Christian God or if you are not a Christian, but your actual God.
A Christian pastor or Catholic priest would say all but the Christian will go to hell without Jeses, the Jews, the Muslims, etc., and be correct according to doctrine. 39 years ago most men if the cloth understood Mason’s were upstanding Christians all across America. Today they can’t decide what is th proper pronoun for God, and are too busy chasing tides to care if it comes from two lesbians, homosexuals, murders, or thieves - once it became a goid gig to have a church it seems the world has imposed itself upon religion.
Not one idiot bashing Mason’s understand a Christian who is a Mason is a Christian Mason.
The generic worldwide code word for God spoken as architect is to each Man his religious god and a group or something else.
Language skills are terrible and comprehension worst.
Thanx
Yes, I defend it. I see nothing wrong with it.
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