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A Christmas REALITY - Mary Needed a Savior!
IFB ^ | 12/11/23

Posted on 12/11/2023 11:35:17 AM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman

Just a thought for this Christmas season. One of the greatest myths in all of Christendom is that Mary (Miriam) - the young Jewish girl of king David's line - who gave birth to the Savior of the world was sinless. I myself was taught this as a boy in the Catholic church and it wasn't till I was born again and started reading the Holy Scriptures for myself that I saw the true folly of such a myth. My dear friends, no greater lie could ever be told or fantasy ever believed! When this lie is embraced it derails the total ETERNAL movement of Almighty God and seeks to make the temporal, fallen and mortal the ETERNAL, RIGHTEOUS and DIVINE (Rom. 10:4). Mary herself testified that she rejoiced in Almighty God her Savior and one does not need a Savior if one is not a sinner (Rom. 3:23, 6:23, 10:2-4, Acts 4:12)! If we let the Holy Scriptures of Almighty God and Mary's own personal testimony speak to us then this great fantasy of many can NEVER stand. . Mary herself testified that she rejoiced in Almighty God her Savior and one does not need a Savior if one is not a sinner. . And Mary herself said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. For he hath regarded the low estate (to look with pity on her vile condition) of his handmaiden (slave): for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name. And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation (St. Luke 1:45-49).

Also the Holy Scriptures tell us that Mary offered a burnt offering and a sin offering for atonement after her purification (Leviticus 12:1-8). If Mary was not a fallen daughter fallen of Adam she would not have needed to offer an offering of sin.

And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord; (As it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord;) And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons (St. Luke 2:22-24).

My dear friends, if you are one who holds to the teaching of the Catholic church on Mary of Nazareth I would like to challenge you to believe Almighty God's Word and receive the biblical position of Mary and that of salvation (John 1:12, Acts 16:28-30, Romans 6:23, 10:2-4, 1 John 5:13). Mary the young maiden - by faith - trusted in Almighty God for her ETERNAL salvation as a young girl before her angelic visitation and little did she know that she would be the vessel of Almighty God to bring forth the perfect body for her Lamb and propitiation of her soul (John 1:29, John 3:16-17, 36, Rom. 10:2-4, 1 John 2:2, 4:10).

Mary the young maiden - by faith - trusted in Almighty God for her ETERNAL salvation as a young girl before her angelic visitation and little did she know that she would be the vessel of Almighty God to bring forth the perfect body for her Lamb and propitiation of her soul.

The first Christmas two thousand years ago - the young Jewish girl of the tribe of Judea - Mary; was trying to comprehend and take in the wonders of the last nine months (Matt. 1, Luke 2:24-80). Mary was highly favored above all women and was given the Divine assignment to prepare the body for the ETERNAL Spirit of the Son of Almighty God (Isa. 9:6-7, Micah 5:2, John 1:12, Heb. 10). The true servant's heart and faith of Mary are to be greatly commended and her exampled followed; but when individuals seek to change her testimony and her witness to fantastic fables they do her and her ETERNAL Savior a great disservice and dishonor.

Mary needed a Savior and believed as the Word of God clearly stated (Lev.). What about you? If Mary was here today she would point you to her God and Savior, the Lord Jesus Messiah to save your soul and give you ETERNAL LIFE (John 3:16-17). What will you do? Will you listen to Biblical Mary or traditional Mary?

The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!!


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To: ealgeone

They go to Mary thinking she can deliver them from Jesus, their judge.

From a prayer to Mary..

Prayer to Our Lady of Perpetual Help
https://www.catholic.org/prayers/prayer.php?p=321

“O Mother of Perpetual Help, thou art the dispenser of every grace that God grants us in our misery; it is for this cause that He hath made thee so powerful, so rich, so kind, that thou mightest assist us in our miseries. Thou art the advocate of the most wretched and abandoned sinners, if they but come unto thee; come once more to my assistance, for I commend myself to thee. In thy hands I place my eternal salvation; to thee I entrust my soul. Enroll me among thy most faithful servants; take me under thy protection and it is enough for me: yes, for if thou protect me, I shall fear nothing; not my sins, for thou wilt obtain for me their pardon and remission; not the evil spirits, for thou art mightier than all the powers of hell; not even Jesus, my Judge, for He is appeased by a single prayer from thee. “

I think they missed the part about Jesus coming to seek and save the lost.


421 posted on 12/13/2023 6:55:51 PM PST by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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To: metmom
Wow....the blasphemy and complete rejection of the Gospel is on full display in that "prayer".

In thy hands I place my eternal salvation; to thee I entrust my soul.

422 posted on 12/13/2023 7:16:32 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

Kind of staggering, isn’t it?


423 posted on 12/13/2023 11:43:55 PM PST by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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To: ebb tide
I don't reject.

I accept it for what it is:


The Bible uses a large variety of metaphors, imagery, similes, types, parables, allegories, and analogies as teaching tools. They are used either to hide or cloud a meaning from outsiders, or sometimes to make them clear—so that God's people understand either way. Here, in Exodus 4:21, Israel is shown as a cohesive body—as a single, human son. In other places, Israel is portrayed as a virginal woman, married to God, and in yet other places, as a harlot who is still legally married but who, in reality, has left the marriage and pursued lovers.

In like manner, the church is typified as a body (of which Christ is the Head) and the firstborn of God. In another analogy, the church is portrayed as the firstfruits—not a body, but an assembly of individuals harvested as a crop. In another place, it is pictured as a loaf of bread that has leaven in it. The New Testament contains many other symbols for the church.

John W. Ritenbaugh
New Covenant Priesthood (Part One) 


424 posted on 12/14/2023 5:18:36 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide
 Matthew 13:10-16  New King James Version
 
10 And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?”
 
11 He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. 12 For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 13 Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.

425 posted on 12/14/2023 5:21:35 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MurphsLaw
...dared to touch the temple of God, the abode of the Holy Ghost, the mother of his Lord?


Joseph:  Mary; are you asleep?
Mary: You bozo; you KNOW I have to do my prayers.
 
Joseph:  I was just wondering if....
Mary: You hornytoad;  you KNOW I have had this HEADACHE for nigh unto these 12 years or so!
 
Joseph:  A fella can HOPE eternally; can't he?
Mary: Hope all you want; you ain't gettin' it:   I HAVE to remain a VIRGIN for my FOLLOWERS!!
 
Joseph:  What 'followers'?
Mary: The ones who will be bombarding me forEVER with their heartfelt requests!!!
 
Joseph:  I may as well be dead...
Mary: What did you just mumble?  I ain't DEAD; just FRIGID.  Now roll OVER and go to sleep. 
 
 
 
 
Mary: Son? are  You listening??   I've got a bunch more good, Catholic prayers for you to deal with.  Ya ready?
 
 
 
 

426 posted on 12/14/2023 5:27:00 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ealgeone
Wow....the blasphemy and complete rejection of the Gospel is on full display in that "prayer".

Ya THINK!!??!!


“O Mother of Perpetual Help, thou art the dispenser of every grace that God grants us in our misery; it is for this cause that He hath made thee so powerful, so rich, so kind, that thou mightest assist us in our miseries.
 
Thou art the advocate of the most wretched and abandoned sinners, if they but come unto thee; come once more to my assistance, for I commend myself to thee.
 
 In thy hands I place my eternal salvation; to thee I entrust my soul.
 
 Enroll me among thy most faithful servants; take me under thy protection and it is enough for me: yes, for if thou protect me, I shall fear nothing; not my sins, for thou wilt obtain for me their pardon and remission; not the evil spirits, for thou art mightier than all the powers of hell; not even Jesus, my Judge, for He is appeased by a single prayer from thee. “


427 posted on 12/14/2023 5:36:34 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
... not even Jesus, my Judge ...
 
 
They can have Him as a JUDGE: I'll take Him as an ADVOCATE.
 

I'ma gonna make Mary cry, but here goes...
 
 
1 John 2:1 King James Version.
 
   My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
 

 
Sorry Catholics, but JOHN did not mention Mary at all here.
 

428 posted on 12/14/2023 5:44:44 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
John 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.

Luke 19:10 For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.

429 posted on 12/14/2023 6:18:12 AM PST by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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To: Elsie
My little children, these things write I unto you,
that ye sin not. And if any man sin,
we have AN advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:


WHY would the Blessed Virgin Mary cry over that?

Mind you the Queen of Apostles may have still have been alive when John wrote that,
not in Heaven yet,
but THAT verse ONLY says Jesus is "AN" Advocate -
NOT THE ONLY Advocate... (See Moses)...
You can't read into that what you would like to... you can try though...

You also have a friend in Jesus, and His Mother...

So you need to find another verse to make the Blessed Virgin... Cry.


430 posted on 12/14/2023 2:38:53 PM PST by MurphsLaw (“Its One thing to profess and enforce a belief. It's another to let it transform your Life."M.Warner)
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To: metmom
You can't seriously expect us to believe
that you are unaware of the prophecy that a virgin
would conceive and give birth, do you?


Youre not comprehending what I have written.
Firstly, I CLEARLY stated, that it is some anti-Catholics (and Jews as well)
who point out that Mary was not prophesied to be required a Virgin in Isaiah -
but rather a young woman- or young unmarried woman.
(which she still qualifies on all translations.)
Catholics- like Jerome- have always held close to the Heart for the Virgin Mary thing since the beginning-
for her 10 months of pregnancy- AND for the rest of her life.
Catholics support Isaiah's prophesy, regardless of the etymology of the text-
and so no one is trying to make you believe anything
beyond what you're willing to give an honest listen to.

Mary was a virgin who gave birth to the Messiah.
That was all that was necessary.


Secondly, the use of the word "Requirement".
You guys have to stop reading the Bible anachronistically. (reading back into.)
You do this all the time with Scripture to make it fit into your Rubiks cube method of trying to discredit Catholicism - and it fails.
You're just not aware of it.
Your cohort is trying to assume that Joseph and Mary-
at the Annuciation knew they were fulfilling Isiah's prophesy-
and that Joseph then began his countdown to finally being able to have HIS way
once the kid was born.

WE KNOW the Incarnation story quite well-
but if anyone thinks Joseph and Mary knew what was going on -
IN THE MOMENT- of this most spectacular supernatural moment-
theyre just kidding themselves.
WE KNOW the story well- THEY.DID.NOT.

So the contrived premise offered to me
that they "somehow" knew Mary was in fact the "ONE" who Isaiah had in mind-
and once that Isaiah's "requirement" box was checked- Joseph had the Green light to go for it is only presumption.
Holy Inspired scripture tells us Mary was still pondering these things in the manger- After Elizabeths visit too.
Now mind you Mary could have been bad at Scriptures...
but for her to assume that Isaiah's book 7? was about her, and that she knew exactly what was going on is totally contrived -
We can fill in the blanks... anachronistically-
but to read into scripture like that- that Joseph was good to go -
(and boy did he, apparently!- 4 more boys and plus at least two girls !- (Talk about your Catholic family there !!)
is hopeful "presumption" and sheer nonsense" -as you say.
You are correct in saying there is No Perpetual Virginity text in the Bible...
but thats your problem because you are Bible only.
You have to adhere to that false dogma, Catholics are NOT bound by that limiting ideal.
But to, to out of the other side of your mouth,
to use a fallacious non-Biblical idea that Joseph knew he could score when the time was right... after the "requirement was fulfilled" is just hypocritical presumption. Thats what my reply was about.

Why do you hate the Blessed Virgin's desire to be ONLY the Mother of Her Lord anyway?


431 posted on 12/14/2023 3:26:30 PM PST by MurphsLaw (“Its One thing to profess and enforce a belief. It's another to let it transform your Life."M.Warner)
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To: MurphsLaw; metmom
For Rome to have Mary be a perpetual virgin they had to draw on the discredited and rejected Protoevangelium of James. A discredited and rejected book is the source of the perpetual virginity of Mary. IF I were a Roman Catholic that'd make me ask a lot of questions.

Not only does the PoJ claim Mary was virgin before the birth, but during the actual birth itself, and then after birth.

IIRC, it claims Jesus didn't pass through the birth canal but rather just showed up.

It's an interesting read but it doesn't square away with what Luke has written.

Recall, it is believed Luke interviewed Mary and Joseph for his account of the birth. A detail of Jesus just showing up without passing through the birth canal would be a good detail to have included.

Plus when one reads the PoJ and compares it to the Bible several errors are evident in the PoJ.

It's easy to see why this book never made the cut or was even close to being on the list of books.

Yet, Rome has based some of the Marian dogmas on this discredited and rejected book.

432 posted on 12/14/2023 3:48:57 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: MurphsLaw; Elsie
IF one reads John one will see that Jesus told us who the Helper would be....the Holy Spirit.

Not once is it recorded that Mary was to be that Helper or Advocate. Not. Once.

The Greek indicates a singular individual in 1 John 2:1.

John didn't record Moses as being that Advocate. Only. Christ.

433 posted on 12/14/2023 3:52:18 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: metmom

Both Churches agree 99% on doctrine. You compare that situation to 50,000 different denominations that disagree on important doctrines?

And why are you so angry?


434 posted on 12/14/2023 3:57:42 PM PST by Trump_Triumphant ("Our hearts are restless, Oh Lord, until they rest in thee"- St. Augustine)
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To: ealgeone

Yes, I read it. And it proves what I said- Mary was named Mother of God to protect the diety of Christ.


435 posted on 12/14/2023 4:00:29 PM PST by Trump_Triumphant ("Our hearts are restless, Oh Lord, until they rest in thee"- St. Augustine)
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To: ealgeone

Oh no! Some guy on the Internet insulted me! Did you ever hear of the word hyperbole?


436 posted on 12/14/2023 4:03:12 PM PST by Trump_Triumphant ("Our hearts are restless, Oh Lord, until they rest in thee"- St. Augustine)
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To: Elsie

Luther had a right to protest abuses and corruption. He didn’t have the right to make up a new Church.


437 posted on 12/14/2023 4:05:47 PM PST by Trump_Triumphant ("Our hearts are restless, Oh Lord, until they rest in thee"- St. Augustine)
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To: Elsie

That’s reassuring.


438 posted on 12/14/2023 4:07:04 PM PST by Trump_Triumphant ("Our hearts are restless, Oh Lord, until they rest in thee"- St. Augustine)
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To: Trump_Triumphant; metmom

Actually, the term was God-bearer.


439 posted on 12/14/2023 4:34:37 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: Trump_Triumphant

Ever hear of being accurate?


440 posted on 12/14/2023 4:35:25 PM PST by ealgeone
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