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To: metmom
That is inexcusable rationalization and justification for hand waving away the condition of Roman Catholicism.

I'm not "hand-waving away" any conditions, I think those conditions you're referencing are deplorable. And I would encourage Catholics, if they have good reason to believe that a particular priest habitually commits grave sins (of _any_ kind), to find another priest for confession, and preferably for everything.

That doesn't change the fact that a priest who is a habitual sinner is still capable of administering valid sacraments. This was settled doctrine 1800 years ago in the Donatist controversy. Look it up.

It gives qualifications for church leadership, which they ignore.

Catholics don't ignore them (or at least shouldn't), but we don't choose our leadership, the bishops do. Do they ignore them? Yes, at least sometimes. Should they? Of course not.

Once again, that doesn't change the church's answer to the Donatist controversy 1800 years ago.

*Official* doctrine means NOTHING when it's not adhered to. It's just virtue signaling.

You're saying it's better to preach the wrong thing and do the right thing, rather than to preach the right thing and then fail to live up to your own standard?

I strongly disagree. God says "woe to those who call evil good" and he means it.

28 posted on 11/24/2023 6:03:31 AM PST by Campion (Everything is a grace, everything is the direct effect of our Father's love - Little Flower)
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To: Campion

*”That doesn’t change the fact that a priest who is a habitual sinner is still capable of administering valid sacraments. This was settled doctrine 1800 years ago in the Donatist controversy. Look it up.”

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How exactly is controversy settled within an organization that rejects the Written Word of God? And creates its own ordinances and commandments based upon tradition. And by what means? The office of priest is no longer a Biblical office in the New Testament. We have ONE High Priest, His Name is Jesus. A vote of those elected by man to an office that is unbiblical? (Bishop is a Biblical office. Cardinal is a bird, not a Biblical office.) Or by a mere sinner who the Catholic church proclaims to be infallible? Who elects the unbiblical office of Pope? Those sending smoke signals or God?

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*”I strongly disagree. God says “woe to those who call evil good” and he means it.”

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The roman catholic church is embracing the gay and trans lifestyle as well as protecting priests who abuse children. So they are not only endorsing the sin, but also covering it up. The Scripture you quote, Isaiah 5:20 applies to the system your endorsing.


33 posted on 11/24/2023 8:05:16 AM PST by patriot torch (..)
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To: Campion
You're saying it's better to preach the wrong thing and do the right thing, rather than to preach the right thing and then fail to live up to your own standard?

I'm glad I read this clear to the ending question mark.

54 posted on 11/24/2023 4:55:36 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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