Letter to Those Believing the Church Has Replaced Israel

Rapture Ready ^ | 11/6/23 | Terry James

[Elsie]

All of them reject one thing: the One, True Church founded by Jesus Christ

I don't know why folks do not study the OTC's beginnings found in the first 3 chapters of Revelation.

THEN they see that the pope is RIGHT!

[MayflowerMadam]

“in the sense that us Christians should act like we’re set apart as God’s chosen people”

Christians are sanctified — set apart — and we should act like it.

[Elsie]

Seems bizarre we deviated from that translation as it was pretty precise.

...and having writ; moves on...

Language, being fluid, morphs and changes continually.

Read THIS:

The General Prologue
Whan that aprill with his shoures soote      1
The droghte of march hath perced to the roote,      2
And bathed every veyne in swich licour      3
Of which vertu engendred is the flour;      4
Whan zephirus eek with his sweete breeth      5
Inspired hath in every holt and heeth      6
Tendre croppes, and the yonge sonne      7
Hath in the ram his halve cours yronne,      8
And smale foweles maken melodye,      9
That slepen al the nyght with open ye      10
(so priketh hem nature in hir corages);      11
Thanne longen folk to goon on pilgrimages,      12
And palmeres for to seken straunge strondes,      13
To ferne halwes, kowthe in sondry londes;      14
And specially from every shires ende      15
Of engelond to caunterbury they wende,      16
The hooly blisful martir for to seke,      17
That hem hath holpen whan that they were seeke.      18

[ducttape45]

It is the responsibility of the church pastor to ensure his flock is properly educated regarding matters such as these. If he does not do so, he will be held accountable on the other side of eternity, one way or another. As for that list, source material is getting harder to come by because Internet search engines regularly make that info harder to find. It’s bedtime for me now but I will try and find more info on this tomorrow.

[imardmd1]

Those 144,000 will plain-literally all be men, and they will all be virgins, as even Jesus was all His Incarnated life until now. They will have literal but spiritual bodies, gained at the moment of the ἁρπάζω¹ (Gk. pronounced har-pad'-zoh) when caught up², violently taken away³, in the "Rapture" (the theologians' Anglicization of the Latin verb rapere⁴, which is the Vulgate's translation of the corresponding Greek verb that is found many times in the New Testament Greek Koine, as well as in the Septuagint translation of the Old Testament scriptures).

These twelve dozen thousands of men are not all of the Jewish race, are they?

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Notes:

(1) 1 Thessalonians 4:17 TR Greek verb ἁρπάζω
(2) 1 Thess 4:17 English KJV translation of (1)
(3) Deut. 28:31 English KJV translation of The Hebrew, which the Vulgate uses the verb rapere. and the LXX translates it as ἁρπάζω
(4) 1 Thess. 4:17 Vulgate translates as rapere (conjugated, of course)

[metmom]

These jokers want us to believe that his words have no meaning ....

Maybe, rather, the meaning that THEY give the word as opposed to common usage meaning that everyone else in the world operates by.

They seem to think they also have the authority to redefine words.

[mdmathis6]

It’s important that that covenant stands forever for if it didn’t stand, then what security would we gentiles have in the blood of Jesus to save us from sin and death?

I can’t fathom how this notion of replacement theology even got started. Paul speaks so plainly on the issue regarding the restoration of Future Israel and the remaining Jews/Hebrews to himself as a separate act from what Christ has done for the gentiles!

[mdmathis6]

Indeed..LOL! I see nothing about the future government of God as being an established constitutional representative republic. I do read that the throne of David is established forever thru Jesus whose seat is at the right hand of the Father.

[imardmd1]

You and other Catholics do not speak for True Christians . . .

Ditto. They put their Magic-Steers-'Em above God's Spirit, Who inscripturated His Will in His Holy Word, which is the final authority, open to any person whose thoughts are guided by the Spirit sent to us regarding the purposes of the Written Word:

Johh 14:26 (AV; bolding added for emphasis):

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. 

1 John 2:27 (AV)

But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

In the Scripture, He speaks for Himself, and needs no Magisterium to interpret what He says, or devotees of that self-proclaimed font of error.

[.30Carbine]

And they put up over His head the accusation written against Him:
THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS.
Matthew 27:37

And the inscription of His accusation was written above:
THE KING OF THE JEWS.
Mark 15:26

And an inscription also was written over Him in letters of Greek, Latin, and Hebrew:
THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.
Luke 23:38

Now Pilate wrote a title and put it on the cross. And the writing was:
JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS.
John 19:19

[imardmd1]

Why does Satan care?

Because "Replacement Theology" (and practice of it) lends that religious organization an excuse to nominate hieratic priests, a clergy class trained to lord it over a separate class of "lay" constituents conned into believing the cult's philosophy of being the only channel of communication with God.

Jehovah God truly hates this scheme, as an outworking of sin and death, the tool of lying Satan. Jesus admonition to the president of the synagoguing assembly at Pergamos in John's time was this:

Rev.2:14-16 (AV; bolding added for emphasis, superscript asterisk to notes)

  ¹⁴But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication. 
¹⁵So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans*, which thing I hate.
¹⁶  Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. 
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* Note:
In NT Greek, Νικολαΐ́της, a combination of two words:

νικάω (nikaō, pronounced nik-ah'-oh)
A verb
From G3529; to subdue (literally or figuratively): - conquer, overcome, prevail, get the victory.

λαός (laos, pronounced lah-os')
A noun
Apparently a primary word; a people (in general; thus differing from G1218, which denotes one’s own populace): - people.

A coined term combining the two, a clergy class meant to overwhelm and subdue the class of non-priest constituents of a church known in that environment as "lay people."

This is Satan's way of perverting an assembly of professors of allegiance to the "Christ" as explained to them, by appointing the kind of officers equivalent to the Levitical priests of the Jewish Mosaic Covenant.

That form of religion was abolished, and the Mosaic Covenant abrogated, by Jesus' cross-fulfillment of God's righteous demands of a human based on Adam's sinful behavior. To reinstitute it by attempting to take the place of Jewry is to refute God's plan of reconciliation and salvation.

Y'all need to see that this arises from Satan's desire to be the god over humans, one by one; and displace The Triune Jehovah Elohim Who is a human's benefactor.

Figure this out for yourself, now. Do you need another intercessor with the Father other than His Son?

[imardmd1]

Mt. 28:18 (AV; bolding added for emphasis) 

And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying,

All power* is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 

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* Note: power here is in the Greek ἐξουσία (exousia, pronounced eggs-oo-see'-ah)
A noun
From G1832 (in the sense of ability); privilege, that is, (subjectively) force, capacity, competency, freedom, or (objectively) mastery (concretely magistrate, superhuman, potentate, token of control), delegated influence: - authority, jurisdiction, liberty, power, right, strength.

[imardmd1]

Remember, protestantism is built upon the doctrine of private interpretation of Scripture.

Asinine.

The need for Protestantism is based on the RCC's criminal misuse of Scripture, God's Guiding Truth, The Word Personified in God-Incarnate Jesus, Messiah and Lord.

One of the great flaws has beeen the marketing of "Indulgences," which the RCC still does in kind. And you and they continue to abuse it, even through mis-translations which Desiderius Erasmus--the true Father of the Reformation--attempted to correct through supplying a faithful copy of the genuine NT apographs for translation into the common language of any other culture, and interpreted there through a literal, historical, grammatical, and culturally faithful hermeneutic by learned Bible scholars.

I think that you might want to shush for a while and learn enough to be properly taught and admonished by spiritually discerning regenerated servants and Friends of the Messiah according to His commission to them, to hear the doctrine of the Apostles which they were ordered to broadcast, not a single hieratic priest among them in the Jerusalem prototype church, nor anywhere else in the commended churches of the New Testament Age.

For your information, please be aware that there have been since the beginning of the Church of the Firstborn a great congregation of non-RCC Christ-professing independent autonomous Bible-preaching assemblies that are not now and never were "Protestants." Please do not include commenters such as myself as one of the "Prods." These have been and always will be thew backbone of The Savior's works on Earth, which the RCC is not, IMHO.

[imardmd1]

So yes, God abandons promises depending on the behavior of men.

No. Regarding God's promises, Abraham's trust being one example:

Rom 4:20-25 (AV)

²⁰He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; 
²¹And being fully persuaded that, what he^God had promised, he^God was able also to perform. 
²²And therefore it was imputed to him^Abraham for righteousness. 
²³Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 
²⁴But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 
²⁵Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification. 

I believe that you are missing how God works. He has two aspects to His Plan, His determined, non-negotiable determinate Will (thelema); the other being the one in which He gives some choices (boulomi) where your choice will determine the consequences, but still ones which he promises and delivers.

Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will^{θέλημα}, him he heareth. (Jn. 9:31 AV)

θέλημα (thelēma, pronounced thel'-ay-mah)
A noun
From the prolonged form of G2309; a determination (properly the thing), that is, (actively) choice (specifically purpose, decree; abstractly volition) or (passively) inclination: - desire, pleasure, will.
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Saying, Father, if thou be willing^{βούλομαι}, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will^{θέλημα}, but thine, be done. (Lk. 22:42 AV)

βούλομαι (boulomai, pronounced boo'-lom-ahee)
A verb
Middle voice of a primary verb; to “will”, that is, (reflexively) be willing: - be disposed, minded, intend, list (be, of own) will (-ing). Compare G2309.

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So, God doesn't "take back" a promise; in some cases he gives you (a) choice(s); in other cases, no.

Capisce? Understand?

[imardmd1]

regenerated.

Anyone can call him/herself "Christian."

Originally, it was a word applied to a person as that of a tradesman, something of profit that one is performing and/or purveying; not just professing a state of mind.

"Regenerated" means a total renewal of one's being, to the People of The Way, spiritual rebirth that affects one's behavior toward sin.

[Elsie]

It is the responsibility of the church pastor to...

I've not seen it put quite this way before.

[Elsie]

Once; and Future...

[Philsworld]

——>It’s important that that covenant stands forever

What covenant would that be?

[Philsworld]

——>Paul speaks so plainly on the issue regarding the restoration of Future Israel and the remaining Jews/Hebrews to himself as a separate act from what Christ has done for the gentiles!

Show me

[mdmathis6]

You are a smart guy and have engaged in many discussions here and you know the books of the old testament...what covenants with Abraham and with David do you think I’m referring to?(Whether you agree as to their present relevance or not)

Otherwise I’ll have nothing else to say to you on this subject.