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To: metmom

My favorite catholic who is still learning how to understand the Bible.

So you believe that the flesh of Jesus who died for your sins doesn’t help at all? That is amazing! Jesus flesh does give life to the world. John 6:51; Eph 2:13-16

Perhaps, we might consider that John 6:63 should be understood as the human reason’s inability to comprehend revealed truths apart from faith in contrast to the Holy Spirit’s ability to enlighten our minds.

So do you believe that Jesus as God can’t give us a gift of his flesh and blood as transubstantiated from bread and wine for our consumption and eternal life?

Yes, the words that Jesus has spoken are spirit and Life: “Truly, truly I say to you unless you eat the flesh of the Son man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and i will raise him on the last day.” (6:53-54)

It was very clear in John that all believed the literal words of Jesus to eat his flesh and drink his blood. Peter said “we have believed, and have come to know, that you are the Holy One of God.”

Everyone has the choice to believe Jesus or to follow man’s words of interpretation. Sacred tradition and Sacred Scripture of the words of Jesus have been followed except for the protestant religions.


35 posted on 10/02/2023 3:51:48 PM PDT by ADSUM ( )
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To: ADSUM
So you believe that the flesh of Jesus who died for your sins doesn’t help at all?

What did Jesus say?

38 posted on 10/02/2023 3:59:25 PM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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To: ADSUM

The consumption of blood is forbidden by God throughout Scripture, before the Law was given, explicitly in the Law, and reiterated by the apostles at the Council at Jerusalem.

The blood is to be poured out for the atonement.

Eating of human flesh is always considered a curse by God and a sign of His judgment.

Just as the Passover lamb was a symbolic foreshadowing of Jesus, and not really Jesus Himself, so communion, the bread and wine, are symbolic remembrances of Jesus FINISHED work on the cross. That view does not conflict with the rest of Scripture, where claiming that eating human flesh and drinking human blood is necessary or even happens, does.

So Catholics are left with explaining the contradiction and need more than *It’s a mystery of the faith*, which is a cop out.


39 posted on 10/02/2023 4:05:22 PM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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To: ADSUM
It was very clear in John that all believed the literal words of Jesus to eat his flesh and drink his blood.

Then everyone who does consume that should literally live forever

Didn't Jesus, in the same discourse, also say that anyone who ate would never be hungry or thirsty (vs 35) and that whoever ate would live forever (vs 510?

Do you eat and drink to stay alive?

So where are the apostles? They should still be around, right?

Why are there Catholic funerals?

I haven't seen any Catholic live forever. They age and die just like everyone else.

What's the matter? Doesn't eating His flesh and and drinking His blood, as you all believe, work after all?

41 posted on 10/02/2023 4:12:03 PM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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To: ADSUM
Everyone has the choice to believe Jesus or to follow man’s words of interpretation.

 16.  "Woe to you, blind guides! You say, `If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.'
  17.  You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?
  19.  You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?
  24.  You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
  26.  Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
  33.  "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
 
 

Hiss!


71 posted on 10/02/2023 11:11:28 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM
So do you believe that Jesus as God can’t give us a gift of his flesh and blood as transubstantiated from bread and wine for our consumption and eternal life?

Another ignorant logical fallacy, that of arguing as if someone can do something then it means that that person did so, and thus those who disagree must not believe that they can.

The rest of your delusion has been already exposed as being so, in context. Time for me to go fix some bikes.

89 posted on 10/03/2023 8:25:31 AM PDT by daniel1212 (As a damned+destitute sinner turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves souls on His acct + b baptized 2 obey H)
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