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To: boatbums; plain talk

Your comment: “You want to believe you have to literally eat the flesh and drink the blood of Jesus over and over to gain salvation, go ahead.”

Christ nor His Catholic Church forces anyone to believe God’s Truth. We all make the choice to believe or not believe the words of Jesus as Truth. As Catholics we believe just as Peter and the Apostles believed the words of Jesus because He spoke the Truth as God. (John 6:67-69) Jesus knew that many did not believe and they drew back and no longer walked with him.

Many, even today, have rejected God’s Truth and followed false teachers. How can there be thousand of different religious practices with different understanding of God’s Truths?

The Catholic faith passed down by Jesus and the Apostles has not changed for 2000 years.

Yes, the names may have changed over the years. For Example: the Eucharist has been called the breaking of bread (Acts 2:42), Lord’s Supper, the Most Blessed Sacrament, Holy Mass, Holy Communion, etc. The triune God has been called the Trinity. Purgatory.

Transubstantiation represents not a change in dogma, but further explanation of the process for human minds to help them understand a divine mystery. It takes faith to accept Jesus’ words as the Truth.

Yes, administratively as the church has grown, administrative changes have been made and clarification of morals have been addressed, such as contraception, life issues, etc.

Since Jesus dies on the cross to forgive our sins and restore mankind the opportunity to share eternity with God and Jesus told us that He would be with us always (Mt 28:20), and Jesus is the Bread of Life, why wouldn’t he give us His Body and Blood for our our nourishment and for the salvation of our souls?

The Eucharist is a Sacrament that gives us God’s grace to help us love Him, grow in our faith on the path to salvation.

You make a blanket statement without any support, perhaps just you opinion or a false teaching.

“Just because your religion claims to be the same faith as Jesus established, doesn’t mean it’s true nor does it give them carte blanch to subordinate the Scriptures to their Traditions and demand all of Christendom accept them or be condemned.?

Jesus did establish the Catholic Church and named Peter to lead it and gave him authority to baptize, teach what Jesus taught and the authority to interpret the teachings. MT 16:18-19 and 28:19 This documented in scriptures based on Sacred Tradition.

The Catholic Church does not condemn or judge, that is a role for Jesus when we die. The Church does teach God’s Truth and morals, even if many members are imperfect and sinner.


120 posted on 10/04/2023 7:41:21 PM PDT by ADSUM ( )
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To: ADSUM
"even if many members are imperfect and sinner."

Wow. That's an interesting statement. :-)

121 posted on 10/04/2023 7:47:22 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: ADSUM
even if many members are imperfect and sinner.

IF????

Are you claiming that you have perfect, sinless people in your *church*?

123 posted on 10/05/2023 2:51:43 AM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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To: ADSUM
The Catholic Church does not condemn or judge,

Cleanup on aisle 3!!


133 posted on 10/05/2023 4:49:14 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM
Jesus did establish the Catholic Church and named Peter to lead it and gave him authority to baptize, teach what Jesus taught and the authority to interpret the teachings.

Pete?

That "Get thee behind me..." guy?

The guy that got called out for teaching FALSE doctrine?

The one whose 'interpretations' are seen in the seven churches in Asia that the angel told John to write about.


THAT Peter?

Galatians 2:11
When Cephas came to Antioch, however, I opposed him to his face, because he stood to be condemned.

135 posted on 10/05/2023 4:56:21 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM
The Catholic faith passed down by Jesus and the Apostles has not changed for 2000 years.

Your constant recourse to argumentation by ludicrous refuted assertions as this is a egregious example of how NOT to do apologetics. Instead, what is extensively substantiated evidenced and abundantly shown you is that distinctive Catholic beliefs are NOT passed down by Jesus and the Apostles, nor does she go back 2,000 years, while the claims that she has not doctrinally changed for 2000 years TradCaths themselves disagree with, as regards the "clarifications" by your "living magisterium" by spiritually dead clerics.

However, since your parroting of refuted RC claims remains an argument against being a RC, then continuing can provide further testimony .

140 posted on 10/05/2023 8:46:04 AM PDT by daniel1212 (As a damned+destitute sinner turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves souls on His acct + b baptized 2 obey H)
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To: ADSUM; daniel1212
The Catholic faith passed down by Jesus and the Apostles has not changed for 2000 years.

Total nonsense.

Catholic history if replete with examples of Catholic doctrine that has changed over the millennia, not to mention that you cannot even get two Catholics to agree on all points of Catholic doctrine.

Heck, FRomans can't even agree who the last legitimate pope was if they even admit it, which some won't.

151 posted on 10/05/2023 10:41:46 AM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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To: ADSUM; boatbums; Mark17; daniel1212; aMorePerfectUnion; Elsie; Hebrews 11:6
The Eucharist is a Sacrament that gives us God’s grace to help us love Him, grow in our faith on the path to salvation.

Actions we do, including what you all claim works, does not impart grace. If we receive something from God based on any actions we do, it's no longer grace but rather wages due for work performed..

Also, God does not dole out grace in stingy little parcels to those whom Catholicism deems worthy.

He LAVISHES His grace on us.(Ephesians 1:8) because that's who He is.

Additionally, we are constantly in His grace.

Romans 5:1-2Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand,...

Under Catholicism grace, mercy, and forgiveness don't actually exist since everything the Catholic receives is based on *sacraments* or *merit*.

Grace, mercy, and forgiveness can never be earned, merited, or worked for. By their very definition and nature, they are gifts FREELY given by the Giver. If they were based on some kind of payment or merit, they cease to be gifts.

153 posted on 10/05/2023 10:49:52 AM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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To: ADSUM

—> The Catholic faith passed down by Jesus and the Apostles has not changed for 2000 years.

Total falsehood.

No Apostle ever taught or practiced half of what you teach in ROME.

They would instantly recognize it as the paganism surrounding the church that they warned would enter as heresy.

Mainly, they would be horrified that the Gospel of Grace was perverted into a hamster wheel of syncretic paganism.

“Hey Rome!You had one job…!”
-Peter

Also, they’d be horrified at your gay clergy and abuse of children.


155 posted on 10/05/2023 10:58:26 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything)
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