Catholic Catechism (official) moves Sabbath commandment to 3rd position from 4th. Then claims Sunday is the Lord's day without citing a single Bible text. Just church fathers. (prophecy of Daniel 7:25)

Catechism of the Catholic Church ^ | 7/8/2023 (current) | Roman Catholic Church Vatican

[Trump_Triumphant]

Come again?

[Philsworld]

——>I’ve already pointed out how you have misread the article and how you likewise misread Luke but you keep repeating your two weak arguments like a parrot.

I didn’t “misread” anything. I copied the article exactly as written. It makes my point, not yours.

[Philsworld]

Criminal...Roman War Criminal.

[fidelis]

LOL. Just because you copied it doesn’t mean you understood it, which you obviously didn’t and I explained why which you obviously didn’t read or understand either. That’s why I’m ending this conversation; you either are purposely obtuse or you have poor reading comprehension. Please stop embarrassing yourself and stop wasting my time.

[Philsworld]

You’re probably all beaten up after your church bus ran over you all those times. Anyone can see that you are wrong.

[Ultra Sonic 007]

How many times do I have to repeat it to you that Luke wouldn’t have used the verbiage “ACCORDING TO THE COMMANDMENT” if the 7th-day-Sabbath had ended AT THE CROSS.

In what sense does your conclusion logically follow from the premise?

You're taking it for granted that those who state "[these people] kept the sabbath day according to the commandment" carries the meaning you assign to it. Who here is arguing that the command to keep the sabbath holy was abolished? More to the point, in what sense is celebrating Sunday as the Lord's Day (an equivalent of the Sabbath) an abolition of the Sabbath altogether?

[Philsworld]

——>Who here is arguing that the command to keep the sabbath holy was abolished?

Fidelis and his friends.

It has been argued that the 7th-day-Sabbath, found in the 4th commandment of God’s 10 commandment law, was merely ceremonial/shadow/type in nature, and thereby ended at the cross, FOR CHRISTIANS, according to scripture. (Oh, but the Jews, the Jews, they still keep it of course).

I am sorry to tell Fidelis and his Catholic/Protestant friends that such an argument is total garbage. And, his very own church backs me up on it.

https://www.romeschallenge.com/downloads/RomesChallenge.pdf

[Philsworld]

——>More to the point, in what sense is celebrating Sunday as the Lord’s Day (an equivalent of the Sabbath) an abolition of the Sabbath altogether?

Those who follow Rome, keep Sunday. Those who follow the bible, keep God’s 7th-day-Sabbath.

“You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify. The Catholic Church correctly teaches that our Lord and His Apostles inculcated certain important duties of religion which are not recorded by the inspired writers . . . We must, therefore, conclude that the Scriptures alone cannot be a sufficient guide and rule of faith”(The Faith of Our Fathers, 1917, p. 89).

[delchiante]

Those who follow Rome, keep Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,Friday, Saturday..

Those who follow Rome keep January, February,March, April,May,June,July, August, September, October, November, December..

That’s what the Beast system sells..

That’s not what the Scriptures ordain or teach..

The Papacy authority is marked on every day, every week, every month, on the Pope Gregory calendar.

If any Muslim,Jew or Christian can show me Sunday,Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,Thursday,Friday or Saturday in Torah or the complete Old and New Testament, then that would be a first..
I couldn’t find them when testing them with the scriptures..

It would appear the whole world, especially the Western Judeo Christian world follows Rome.

Willingly. Buying and selling what Rome buys and sells because they’ve got the Pope Gregory calendar to confirm their bias from Babylonian birth..

Every day on the Pope Gregory calendar belongs to Rome and Pope.
It’s their system..

Beastly, but it’s their system..

Their days are numbered though..

[SheepWhisperer]

Oh LOOKIE everyone!

ANOTHER SDA cult brainwashing thread.
ANOTHER WATCHTOWER styled literature placement in attempt to earn favor and salvation points with God. WORKS alone, puffed up in pride.

How predictable!

...no salvation credits earned for this thread either.
FAIL...again.

At the Bema seat, these threads will burn up like wood, hay and stubble, leaving nothing. Dross!

Proverbs 6:16-19
“Six things the LORD hates, yes, seven that are detestable to Him...

...one who sows discord amongst the brethren.”

That’s you and your ilk.
One day you will own this truth in real time before the throne.

[Songcraft]

"We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea, (AD 336) transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday. Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, by Peter Geiermann, published in 1928"


One of the libraries at the University of Notre Dame maintains an online facsimile of that Catholic Catechism.   To access the part you are talking about, click on this link below, and scroll down to "Page 50".


      "The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine", by Rev. Peter Geiermann

[Philsworld]

Yes. There are literally hundreds of quotes just like you posted. Thank you for the resource site.

[Ultra Sonic 007]

It has been argued that the 7th-day-Sabbath, found in the 4th commandment of God’s 10 commandment law, was merely ceremonial/shadow/type in nature, and thereby ended at the cross, FOR CHRISTIANS, according to scripture. (Oh, but the Jews, the Jews, they still keep it of course).

Anyone reading fidelis's posts can see that he is arguing that the Christian Church, since the first century, began treating Sunday as the functional and religious equivalent of the Sabbath in honor of Our Lord's Resurrection. You seem to take it as fidelis arguing that we are not called to have a "day of rest" whatsoever, which is an utterly farcical take.

It is why one of the Precepts of the Church is to assist at Mass - the worship of God Almighty - on every Sunday, and why unneccessary servile work is forbidden: because it is the Lord's Day, set aside for man to focus on Him.

For as Christ Himself said, the sabbath was made for man; not the other way around.

[Philsworld]

——>You seem to take it as fidelis arguing that we are not called to have a “day of rest” whatsoever, which is an utterly farcical take.

No, Fidelis is arguing that the day of rest isn’t the Sabbath, because it was abolished at the cross, because it’s Ceremonial, Shadows, Types, Rituals, etc... Why don’t you ask him to show you in other posts exactly what he wrote about this? Then get back to me about “farcical”.

[Songcraft]

Yes, I found a bunch of links even for just that one Catechism source online, including this version, which allows you to just click on specific sections of the Catechism -- the same one I linked to earlier at the University of Notre Dame.

Links:

"The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine"

"The Ten Commandments"

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The Third Commandment What is the Third Commandment?

The Third Commandment is: Remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath day.

Which is the Sabbath day?

Saturday is the Sabbath day.

Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?

We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 336), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.

Why did the Catholic Church substitute Sunday for Saturday?

The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday, because Christ rose from the dead on a Sunday, and the Holy Ghost descended upon the Apostles on a Sunday.

By what authority did the Church substitute Sunday for Saturday?

The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday by the plenitude of that divine power which Jesus Christ bestowed upon her.

[daniel1212]

Just how do you “observe” the first day of the week? Are you like that guy last week who went to the Supreme Court because he refused to work on Sunday?......or are you like that post of yours.....all talk?

Yesterday was very active, with surplus food distribution and helping a needy brother fix his needed vehicle, so I am late to respond, yet I in adding to what already explained (which you commended me for) I myself have never worked for pay on Sunday (Sat 6 P to Sunday 6 P) after becoming born again, and as far as no doing, I do not engage in sports or personal shopping but do good deeds on that day, as I seek to do on all days, glory to God, but overall refrain from fixing kids bikes for free on that time, since they are used for play, having a sign in my window explaining that.

So yes, I think I am like that guy last week who went to the Supreme Court because he refused to work on Sunday, which you commended.

[vespa300]

>>>>So yes, I think I am like that guy last week who went to the Supreme Court because he refused to work on Sunday, which you commended.>>>>

Bless your heart, I am impressed. You do not believe in the junk theology of today that has nailed the 10 commandments to the cross in order to get out from under the Sabbath. You still believe in and uphold the 10 commandments. 99% of Christians do not believe what you believe about the 10 commandments and or the weekly holy day.

This is important. If you accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior, believing in Grace alone, through faith alone, through Christ alone as revealed in scripture alone, as us Seventh day Adventists do, than, when it comes to the holy law of God, our only difference is what day we keep as the weekly holy day.

It would be very easy for you and me to have a debate about which day the Bible calls us to keep each week. And I am perfectly willing to do that.

It is much harder to debate the majority of Christians today who so confused on the 2 covenants, the “law” that they have kicked up a new level by abolishing the 10 commandments. It’s like a golf lesson, we often have to tear down their swing and start over from scratch.

I’m impressed. You are rare. If you care to debate, one good place is to look at every text in the New Testament that mentions the first day of the week, and in proper context, talk about what that text is saying or means.

[daniel1212]

The New Covenant had nothing to do with Christ’s resurrection. It became RATIFIED and in full effect at the moment of the shedding of Christ’s blood.

RATIFIED indeed (Hebrews 9:16,) but the promised pouring out of the Spirit (John 7:39; Acts 2:33) and gifts, (Ephesians 4:8) which are essential for the manifestation anmd mission of the church, (Ephesians 4:9-6; 1 Corinthians 12:7-30) awaited the Lord's glorification and resurrection.

And likewise the atonement itself was accomplish, but as with the New Covenant the meaning must be realized in order to be efficacious for the individual and church, and that is the issue here. For as regards the New Covenant, while that was instituted at the death of Christ, yet its meaning was only progressively realized. Yet this is ignored in the interest of attempting to defend a cultic error.

Thus initially, circumcision was enjoined, Gentiles were avoided, as were as non-kosher foods, and other aspects of ritual purity were observed, (meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation: Hebrews 9:10) but consistent with the sabbatarian hermeneutic used in invoking Luke 23:56, everything that Christians initially did in obedience to Moses before more revelation was given, as it was to Peter and Paul, is binding for all time.

But the manifest fact is that neither literal obedience to the everlasting command of circumcision (Genesis 17:10) or that of those regarding "meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath" (Colossians 2:16) under the law, or of unclean foods (Romans 14:14; 1 Timothy 4:4,15) are binding under the New Covenant. Thank God.

These Christians, who are the seed of Abraham, SAME as literal Israel, WHO OBEYED THE SABBATH COMMANDMENT? Those Christians?

Your sophistry Luke 23:56 is refuted above, while you have zero examples of any NT congregation, meeting as such (not Acts 13:44) specifically meeting on the 7th day, versus the first, (Acts 20:7; 1 Co. 16:2) nor any reiteration of the command to do so, in contrast to the sabbath being classed with typological observations, (Col. 2:16; (Heb. 4:3a, 10) and reproofs against following them, (Galatians 4:10) which sabbatarians can only vainly labor to explain away. Thus the desperate attempt to make Luke 23:56 an example of NT church practice.

[Philsworld]

---->But the manifest fact is that neither literal obedience to the everlasting command of circumcision (Genesis 17:10) or that of those regarding "meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath" (Colossians 2:16) under the law, or of unclean foods (Romans 14:14; 1 Timothy 4:4,15) are binding under the New Covenant. Thank God.

17Which are a SHADOW of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

NOT the 10 commandment Sabbath. Has nothing to do with unclean foods either.

[daniel1212]

---->But the manifest fact is that neither literal obedience to the everlasting command of circumcision (Genesis 17:10) or that of those regarding "meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath" (Colossians 2:16) under the law, or of unclean foods (Romans 14:14; 1 Timothy 4:4,15) are binding under the New Covenant. Thank God. 17Which are a SHADOW of things to come; but the body is of Christ. NOT the 10 commandment Sabbath. Has nothing to do with unclean foods either.

No, but blindness may prevent you from seeing "the sabbath" listed among things that are shadows of the body that make them, and had as much to do with unclean foods as a holyday, or of the new moon. Yet SDA's hold that enjoin pork, rabbit, and shellfish are still unclean.