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To: Cronos

>>>Was Jesus fighting the dragon? No, He was watching:
Luke 10:18 So He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.>>>

By the way, do you believe that was a physical fight in heaven? Please tell me you aren’t that shallow. That was a fight over ideas. God could have vanquished Satan and his angels with one thought in one second. And I have to believe even you know this.

No, that was a fight over God’s law. It has always been over God’s law. Satan the accuser accused God of being unfair and before the universe. God allowed himself to be accused and put on trial. This is God on trial who allowed it because God could have vanquished Satan in a second, and his angels.

God’s law is holy just and good and is vindicated.

Isn’t it funny. You evangelicals of today stand with who?.....”The lawless one”.......scripture calls him the “lawless one”......and you have abolished the law too. The Ten Commandments. All because of the Sabbath which reveals God’s authority. Now you know why Satan hates the Sabbath. Just like in heaven...it reveals who God is. The creator.

That’s so funny....you actually believe it was a physical fight in heaven....like Frazier Ali. Come on man...and you guys go a little deeper? sheesh


747 posted on 06/22/2023 4:22:23 AM PDT by vespa300
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To: vespa300

There wasn’t - however you are deviating from the fact that the Bible says
1. Michael fought with Satan
2. Jesus saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.

At the same time we know from the book of Daniel that Michael is but one of the many archangels (princes) of angels.

And that Jesus is God.

Ergo - the Seventh Day adventist non-Christian belief that Michael = Jesus is false


749 posted on 06/22/2023 5:30:09 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: vespa300
Michael is an angel. When speaking to Satan he does not rebuke him directly:
Jude 1:9 But even the archangel Michael, when he disputed with the devil over the body of Moses, did not presume to bring a slanderous charge against him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"
What about Jesus? Did he rebuke Satan directly? Yes!
Mark 8:33 But Jesus, turning and looking at His disciples, rebuked Peter and said, "Get behind Me, Satan! For you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men."

Matthew 16:23 But Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me. For you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men."
Notice also that Michael is still called Michael at the time of Moses. Moses lived after Abraham. Jesus tells us that Abraham saw Him and rejoiced. Jesus appeared to Abraham as “I AM” (YHWH). And when He did Michael was still Michael.
John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see My day. He saw it and was glad."

750 posted on 06/22/2023 5:31:57 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: vespa300
A complete argument for Christ Jesus not being any type of angel, Phil. If you will receive it ...

The Supremacy of God’s Son
Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Heb 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
Heb 1:11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
Heb 1:12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
Heb 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Heb 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

755 posted on 06/22/2023 5:40:27 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: vespa300

Note that the 19th century creation of the Seventh Day Adventists group with “the great controversy” is purely fiction by Ellen G White - she seems to be similar to the lesbian Ellen.

1. Note that William Miller, the creator of the Adventists himself renounced it. The Seventh Day Adventists and Jehovah’s Witnesses are the sects that came out of Miller-ism

2. The Great C forgets that the entire texts of the early Christians show them to be Catholic-Orthodox in belief and in practice. They definitely were not following the Adventist ideology — ref. Justin Martyr, the Didache, the writings of Clement etc.

3. The fact is that we have detailed information of the Catholic-Orthodox faith seen in Irenaues, Cyprian, Pope Dianysus all before the 300s AD

4. The book hilariously says that Constantine changed Christianity - against, false as seen in the research in the Encyclopedia Britannia and in dogma settled in councils before the 313 Edict of Milan. Seventh Day Adventists make up stories that are not corroborated by the facts (historical or archaeological).

5. The story made up in Ellen’s book of Vicarius Filei Dei —> unlike what Ellen falsely claims, that ain’t a title of the Pope. Also the numerology, well it proves that ELLen GoVLD VVhIte 50+50+5+50+500+5+5+1=666. This is never used as a title of the Bishop of Rome. Just another one of the basic factual errors in your religion

6. Then the Adventists make claims of various titles that are supposedly canon law when it just ain’t. Again, more errors by your founder.

I could go on and on, but this should give you pause to realize that the claims of the 19th century creation, the Seventh Day Adventists, are very very false.


761 posted on 06/22/2023 6:30:22 AM PDT by Cronos
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