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The Protestant’s Biggest Bible Problem
Catholic,com ^ | 3/30/23 | Casey Chalk

Posted on 03/30/2023 6:43:37 PM PDT by ADSUM

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To: steve8714

No fan of the Frankfurter (with all due respect) either....
I am a “Rad Trad”


41 posted on 03/30/2023 7:38:15 PM PDT by dominusobiscum
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To: Tell It Right

There are no theological differences with Catholic orders.
There ARE different emphasis’s however.


42 posted on 03/30/2023 7:39:30 PM PDT by dominusobiscum
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To: dominusobiscum

Cut the condescension .


43 posted on 03/30/2023 7:41:32 PM PDT by sopo
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To: Psalm 73
I hope that you realize that when Paul is speaking of works and the law he is speaking of circumcision and the Mosaic law, not of avoiding sin. As Paul states later in Ephesians:
For freedom Christ set us free; so stand firm and do not submit again to the yoke of slavery. It is I, Paul, who am telling you that if you have yourselves circumcised, Christ will be of no benefit to you. Once again I declare to every man who has himself circumcised that he is bound to observe the entire law. You are separated from Christ, you who are trying to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. For through the Spirit, by faith, we await the hope of righteousness. For in Christ Jesus, neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love.

You were running well; who hindered you from following [the] truth? That enticement does not come from the one who called you. A little yeast leavens the whole batch of dough. I am confident of you in the Lord that you will not take a different view, and that the one who is troubling you will bear the condemnation, whoever he may be. As for me, brothers, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case, the stumbling block of the cross has been abolished. Would that those who are upsetting you might also castrate themselves! (Eph. 5:1-12)

Paul continues and makes it clear that we are not saved merely by faith, that we must keep ourselves free from sin:
For you were called for freedom, brothers. But do not use this freedom as an opportunity for the flesh; rather, serve one another through love. For the whole law is fulfilled in one statement, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” But if you go on biting and devouring one another, beware that you are not consumed by one another. I say, then: live by the Spirit and you will certainly not gratify the desire of the flesh. For the flesh has desires against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; these are opposed to each other, so that you may not do what you want. But if you are guided by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are obvious: immorality, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, rivalry, jealousy, outbursts of fury, acts of selfishness, dissensions, factions, occasions of envy, drinking bouts, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. In contrast, the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. Now those who belong to Christ [Jesus] have crucified their flesh with its passions and desires. If we live in the Spirit, let us also follow the Spirit. (ibid. vv. 13-25)
Charity, the love of God and love of neighbor, must be added to faith for salvation.
44 posted on 03/30/2023 7:43:08 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: dominusobiscum

Agree - from Catholic Priests to Baptists and Charismatic folks - many who have little knowledge of Christian history - understanding God’s Holy Writ takes work.

Not some organization to intrepret or ‘personal revelation’.


45 posted on 03/30/2023 7:46:06 PM PDT by week 71
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To: Jim W N

Your statement is not true.

Cousins were called brothers and sisters.

Even Paul addressed people with the words “brothers and sisters.”


46 posted on 03/30/2023 7:49:37 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: dominusobiscum
My #1 problem with the belief in Purgatory is that it comes from the Old Testament. (For the sake of argument I'll concede for now to my Catholic brothers the debate on apocrypha books being canon.)

To be fair, when we say that the Old Testament isn't where we get doctrine, that doesn't necessarily say whether or not we allow the Old Testament to teach us about the afterlife. So I guess that's kind of up in the air whether or not it's appropriate to let the OT teach us about it.

But if we're going to go there and say the OT can teach us about the afterlife and, therefore, the Maccabean scripture tells us about Purgatory, then that means we ought to adhere to other parts of the OT that describe the afterlife. That means we have to believe in Sheol, which is mentioned 66 times in the OT and by much more standard bearers in the OT than Judah of Maccabee. So how can we let one obscure mention of Purgatory by a cool military leader, but not much of a theology teacher, impact our belief in the afterlife more than Moses (7 times), Solomon (11 times), and Isiah (3 times). In other words, how does one believe in Purgatory but not Sheol?

47 posted on 03/30/2023 7:49:43 PM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: ConservativeMind

The Catholic Church was established by Jesus on the apostles. Read your Bible about him breathing on them and giving them the power of the Holy Spirit to forgive or not forgive sins.


48 posted on 03/30/2023 7:51:45 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

There is absolutely no place in the Bible that gives any credence to the Catholic church as Christ’s church.

Catholics insist a man Jesus said was Satan, as it’s first leader, and today, many Catholics think another form of such a creature is again in charge.


49 posted on 03/30/2023 7:53:49 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: Petrosius
You mean the one and eternal sacrifice that is made present to us in the Mass?

If you insist on the post-Tridentine mass over the pre-Tridentine mass, thank a Protestant. LOL

50 posted on 03/30/2023 7:54:01 PM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: Jim W N

The Mass: The Eucharist or principal sacramental celebration of the Church established by Jesus at the Last Supper, in which the mystery of our salvation through participation in the sacrificial death and glorious Resurrection of Christ is renewed and accomplished. We do as Christ commanded “Do this in memory of me”.

Many have learned about the teachings of Jesus and the Catholic faith from false misconceptions of the Catholic faith.

Yes, Catholics honor the Virgin Blessed Mother who obeyed God’s will without sin and brought Jesus into our lives to save us and restore humanity ability to enter Heaven.

For a better understanding of the Catholic faith: I recommend the Catholic Catechism, and the books “What We Believe” Ascension authored by Marcellino D’Ambrosia and Andrew Swafford or “Why we are Catholic” by Trent Horn, Catholic Answers.

God’s Peace be with you.


51 posted on 03/30/2023 7:54:44 PM PDT by ADSUM ( )
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To: ConservativeMind

Modern day Judaizers have too much pride to see the fallacy of their “club”.

1 Timothy 2:4


52 posted on 03/30/2023 7:56:50 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: ConservativeMind

The Pope is a sinner like all of us. The Church welcomes sinners so that they may grow in faith and love of God.

The Pope has made personal comments but has not changed the Catholic faith.


53 posted on 03/30/2023 7:57:31 PM PDT by ADSUM ( )
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To: ADSUM

Poor Casey doesn’t know he struck out..

Poor timing too..


54 posted on 03/30/2023 7:58:37 PM PDT by delchiante
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To: Tell It Right
If you insist on the post-Tridentine mass over the pre-Tridentine mass, thank a Protestant. LOL

???

55 posted on 03/30/2023 7:59:30 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: ConservativeMind

Sounds like heresy to me.

Perhaps you haven’t read or understood the teachings of Jesus.


56 posted on 03/30/2023 8:00:31 PM PDT by ADSUM ( )
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To: ADSUM

Hmmmm... and that’s a “problem” - HOW?


57 posted on 03/30/2023 8:01:30 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Stupid is supposed to hurt.)
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To: Big Red Badger

“Catholics I’ve known say they Don’t read the Bible!”

Catholics I’ve known have been ordered to NOT read the Bible. It makes it easier for the leaders of the denomination to make up stuff and not be questioned.


58 posted on 03/30/2023 8:05:40 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Stupid is supposed to hurt.)
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To: Petrosius
What we today call the "traditional mass" was etched in stone at the Council of Trent -- the RCC's response to the Protestant Reformation.

One of the problems with believing half of truth comes from tradition is that the RCC every now and then has to change what the "tradition" is. The Vatican II changes to mass, which many "traditionalists" hate, were really a restoration to the varieties mass was like before Trent.

59 posted on 03/30/2023 8:06:08 PM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: Big Red Badger

Catholic hear the multiple passages of the Bible during Mass and the homily.

Try it sometime.

Perhaps the lack of literacy allowed them to learn from the passing of oral tradition and from the heart.


60 posted on 03/30/2023 8:06:30 PM PDT by ADSUM ( )
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