Posted on 03/30/2023 6:43:37 PM PDT by ADSUM
I dated a Catholic man once. Eventually the conversation turned to the value of marital fidelity. He told me that “a friend of his” believes that it’s okay for him to cheat on his wife, because he “always goes to confession afterward.”
Any Catholic who believes that this is ok is on his way to the hot place.
2 Maccabees 12 does not teach purgatory, as even some RC commentary admits.
. In RC theology, Purgatory is only for the elect, those who are certain to be saved, but need to make further expiation for venial, non-mortal sin and attain the level of purification needed to enter Heaven. However, those in 2 Mac. 12 specifically died because they were card-carrying (amulet) idolators, which is a moral sin, which excludes one from Purgatory.
"Now under the coats of every one that was slain they found things consecrated to the idols of the Jamnites, which is forbidden the Jews by the law. Then every man saw that this was the cause wherefore they were slain...they saw before their eyes the things that came to pass for the sins of those that were slain" - 2 Maccabees 12:40,42), for whom according to Rome there is no hope.
Thus RCs must resort to special pleading that maybe they repented in their dying moments, or they simply carried these amulets like baseball cards, yet these souls died due to idolatry.
As for support of purification after death, 2 Maccabees 12:38-46 does not teach that these souls were experiencing postmortem purification, for the offering that was made for them was in order that they may be in the resurrection (of the just) which those in Purgatory are said to already be assured of, and not that they may escape from purgatory.
"And when he had made a gathering throughout the company to the sum of two thousand drachms of silver, he sent it to Jerusalem to offer a sin offering, doing therein very well and honestly, in that he was mindful of the resurrection: For if he had not hoped that they that were slain should have risen again, it had been superfluous and vain to pray for the dead." (2 Maccabees 12:43-44)
They believe BOTH?
Trinity and non-Trinity??
Trying to reconcile that in my head would make me reach for the Prozac©!
Good for you!
African proverb:
When elephants fight; monkeys flee.
That managed to lose the EO's way before Luther came along.
There are no tanks in Baghdad, either.
That’s great but weren’t we talking about the price of rice in China?
“ African proverb:
When elephants fight; monkeys flee.”
Do the elephants walk around and club each other for entertainment ?
The Protestants and Catholics who want to just fight with each other just need to stage a giant pay for view battle.
The money could go to support worthy causes.
Orphanages, pro life support for pregnant moms.
You know, real stuff Jesus calls us to do.
But I guess picking fights with total strangers on FR seems more productive .
...and that just scratches the surface. You really should do your own homework.
There are hardened hearts in here - to be sure! I had a hardened heart once, too.
You say, "Will one persons (sic) mind change?" I say, "Mine was changed."
AND - Maybe it's the person who is only reading not engaging. You just don't know, do you?
She simply left off the < /sarc>
That's all.
And - it wasn't needed.
You named “religions.”
You need to learn the difference between a religion and a “relationship.”
Then you’ll understand.
——>Come home to the faith started by Jesus that your denomination broke off from sometime after 1517.
One, holy, Catholic Church.
Like these guys, who correctly identified the Catholic Church as the Antichrist power, from the bible?
Reformers’ Interpretations
of Anti-Christ
http://www.redeemerfw.org/resources/reformers_antichrist.pdf
The truth about the Catholic Church came out when the bible got into the hands of the people. It is crystal clear.
No, I suppose you wouldn’t want to talk about it, would you.
“There are hardened hearts in here - to be sure! I had a hardened heart once, too.
You say, “Will one persons (sic) mind change?” I say, “Mine was changed.”
AND - Maybe it’s the person who is only reading not engaging. You just don’t know, do you? ”
I can accept thoughtful and respectful debate. That is good .
Many of these threads do not feature that aspect .
I named protestant denominations, who gave a wide variety of teachings. They don’t even agree with each other.
This is exactly what Mad Marty said would happen, yet he rebelled anyway.
Kind of telling that the only thing they agree upon is that the Catholic Church is wrong.
What is there to discuss?
Rebels justifying their rebellion with a claim that makes no sense because the one, holy Catholic Church existed 1500 years before the protestant rebellion?
It gives those on the sidelines who seem to not care about false teachings something to do to feel superior.
Phil!
Where ya been?
Tomorrow - whoops TODAY is Saturday.
Time for church for you.
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