Posted on 03/20/2023 10:19:39 PM PDT by Frank Broom
1 Thessalonians 5:23 says, And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. You are Spirit/Soul/Body that is the rank of authority spirit and soul has influence over the flesh. That's why you prosper outside in your flesh as you prosper inside in your soul. 3 John 2 says, Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth. Proverbs 17:22 says, AMP Version A happy heart is good medicine and a joyful mind causes healing, But a broken spirit dries up the bones. Notice, the effects your soul and spirit has on your flesh. Healing is more about what goes on in you(heart) than in your flesh. If you get healing in your spirit and soul you will have it in your body. I don't think a lot of people know the influence they have over their flesh. One of the first things you have to realize is that your body is not you, just the fact that you can be separated from it tells you that. When the spirit leaves the body the soul goes with your spirit because they are connected, but your flesh goes in the ground. But, don't think your body is not important because you need it to stay on the earth. When a spirit looses their body they have to leave this planet.
God gave man such influence over his flesh that He meant to be used for good, but it can also be used for evil. For instance, there are people that have psychosamatic conditions- Of or relating to a disorder having physical symptoms but originating from mental or emotional causes. The word psychosomatic comes from two greek words psycho from the greek word psyche meaning mind and somatic from the greek word soma meaning body. It's the relationship between the mind and body and how the mind influences the body, isn't that what 3 John 2 shows us. Medicine really would be far more advanced if they consulted The Bible and God that wrote it (personal opinion). And I've even learned that medical students when studying diseases find their bodies having the same symptoms as the disease they are studying, It's called Medical Student Syndrome you can google it yourself. And if that works that way I see why God says in his word Proverbs 4:20-23 My son, attend to my words; incline thine ear unto my sayings. 21 Let them not depart from thine eyes; keep them in the midst of thine heart. 22 For they are life unto those that find them, and health to all their flesh. 23 Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.
If studying a disease can have that kind of effect on a persons body what kind of effect do you think studying The Bible will have on your body, healing (verse 22). Notice, the same thing they do that causes symptoms of sickness God is saying do the same thing that causes healing, when it's God's word you are studying. God gave you such influence over your body look at it in James 3:1-4 My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation. 2 For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body. 3 Behold, we put bits in the horses' mouths, that they may obey us; and we turn about their whole body. 4 Behold also the ships, which though they be so great, and are driven of fierce winds, yet are they turned about with a very small helm, whithersoever the governor listeth. Notice, in verse 2 that word perfect means mature and he that is mature can bridle his own body. Then in verse 3 it says, we put a bit in horses' mouths that they may obey us and you turn their whole body so by that horses mouth you control his body. He's showing you the relationship between your tongue(words) and your body. And in verse 4 it talks about a ship, the governor, and the helm. The ship is your body, the governor is you(spirit man remember your body is not you it's how you spirit get around in the earth), and the helm is your tongue. So, you the governor determines what your flesh does by your words.
I have personal experience with this. Before I knew anything about this once when I was a child I ate a banana and it made me sick to my stomach even though I was eating them just fine before. But, that time I don't know what happened, but I determined that I could no longer eat bananas so anytime someone offered me something with bananas in it I was quick to tell them that I can't eat bananas. So, when I was an adult I thought I would try some banana pudding figuring that was a long time ago when I got sick by eating that banana, but no it still had that effect. And then I heard someone preaching on The Power of Positive Confession and he said, You probably ate something one time and got sick and ever since then you've been telling people you can't eat it. If your mouth got you into it then your mouth can get you out of it. He was talking about how people tell people they can't eat something and that's probably the reason you can't eat it. So, I thought ya that's what I did so I changed what I was saying and I started saying I can eat bananas and after some months down on the inside of me when I was at home and walked past the fruit bowl I heard, "Go ahead and take one" I took one and I have been eating them ever since. That's the kind of influence you have over your flesh, in fact you have so much influence over your flesh that the word body in those verses means slave. In the Strongs Concordance that's what body means, and what do slaves do they follow commands. My body followed my commands, when I said, I can't eat bananas it carried it out. Then when I said, I can eat bananas my body carried that out. So, use your influence for good.
It is not God's will that any should perish. And I wouldn't want to end this article without giving someone the opportunity to receive Jesus as their Lord and Savior. It's very easy just pray: Dear God- I know I have sinned and I now turn from them and I invite Jesus to come into my heart (Revelation 3:20). He died for my sins and you have raised him from the dead and I now confess that Jesus is my Lord and Savior (Romans 10:9,10). I thank you for saving me, Amen
You also have yet to show me where Jesus or the apostles ever preached that theology or practiced it.
Book, chapter, and verses, please.
And everything is to be established by two or three witnesses.
Christ’s death and resurrection provides healing for us. Period, paragraph, end of story. God intends for ALL to be saved and ALL to be healed. Are ALL saved? No. Are all healed? No. But that doesn’t change God’s will.
We have been given free will in this life and healing (and salvation) come by faith. Our faith, not God’s faith.
There are things in life that we won’t understand but that doesn’t make His word untrue. I speak from experience when I tell you that being double minded is a sure way to total failure and when you put your faith in ANYTHING but God’s Word we are like the waves of the sea tossed to and fro.
I’m not sure I’m making the case to you as you almost don’t want to believe God’s word is true and that he has already healed us (Isaiah 53:5 and 1 Peter 2:24) but if we stand on His promises, including healing, and on nothing else, His will be done.
It is covered over and over and over in the Gospels, Acts, etc. He healed them all. Said over and over and over. Then he sent his Apostles out to do the same.
messenger - interesting word.
Angels are messengers from GOD. they speak what He wants us to hear.
We can thrash this back and forth until Jesus returns, but the bottom-line is that none of us know just what is going on in GOD’s mind.
What I DO know is that His ways are not our ways.
As expected.
You didn’t provide ONE example from Scripture of Jesus or the apostles teaching or practicing that theology of positive confession or taking authority over one’s body.
and…..
It’s the fault of the person who doesn’t *have enough faith*.
You didn’t disappoint.
Blaming the sick person for their illness is disgusting and reprehensible to the max. Did my friend’s baby die after being born brain dead because neither the newborn nor her parents had the faith for her healing? And the pastor of that church die from pancreatic cancer because nobody in the church had faith for his healing? Are you really going to go there with that demonic “theology” and lay that burden of guilt on them?
It is so destructive to a believer’s faith to be told that by the likes of you and your ilk.
There are countless examples in Scripture of God not healing everyone. As a matter of fact, God Himself takes responsibility for the fact that some people are afflicted.
Exodus 4:11 “ Then the Lord said to him, “Who has made man’s mouth? Who makes him mute, or deaf, or seeing, or blind? Is it not I, the Lord?”
And granted in heaven there is no illness and everyone will be healed and Jesus healed freely, but it never says He healed ALL people and He NEVER advocates for a person taking authority over their own bodies or this positive confession, we create our own reality nonsense. It was JESUS who healed people, not people healing themselves by sheer will power and compelling God to act by holding Him hostage to a person’s interpretation of His word.
That’s your issue then. Don’t project it on others. If you “healed “ yourself by talking yourself out of a condition you talked yourself into, don’t confuse that with the true healing that God does when He acts out of His sovereignty. All it does is prove that your psychosomatic illness could be changed by your own self since you brought it on yourself.
How judgmental of you. Are you omniscient?
Hmmm, better idea. Go preach this to JR and tell HIM the same thing.
Update on Jim Robinson's Health
AMEN!
All I know is that telling people they are sick is because they want to be sick, or don’t have enough faith to be healed is a lie from the pit of hell.
It allows no room for God’s sovereignty and is the worst kind of judgment you can lay on a person who is already suffering. It’s hard to believe that there are people out there who think people who are sick want to be, but clearly there are.
You and Job’s friends.
Tell it to Mr. Robinson or you or me and the plenty that are out of bed now because of sickness/pain.
Hang on a sec ... Gotta push down more pills and hope for some kind of relief somewhere ...
Sorry. I’m back.
I wonder why people who can heal because they say their faith is stronger than the rest never have the time to visit innocent sick children who are in the hospital dying of cancer. Where are they who believe that a miracle is coming for those children? When God chooses to heal one in a thousand, does that mean the other little children didn’t have enough faith and so He said “no” to the requests for healing that little one? For that matter, what of the little babies that don’t make it to birth?
Jesus healed because HE chose to heal,. Not because He told people to name it and claim it, to take authority over their bodies, or to make positive confessions that they were healthy when they weren’t. There is not ONE instance in Scripture where Jesus or the apostles taught that we become healed by positive confession, declaring it to be so, or *taking authority over one’s body. * NOTHING. I have asked a couple times for examples out of Scripture and gotten deafening silence.
When He healed, the person’s circumstances changed immediately. They didn’t have to convince themselves they were well while they were still sick.
Interesting that the comparison is made to being saved by faith and being healed by faith. I wonder if those who claim healing is by declaring it to be so think that way about salvation. That they are saved by declaring it so therefore God must save them.
Whatever happened to repentance and confession of sin and accepting Christ? Or do they just order God around and demand they be saved because they speak it to be so?
you are very bitter and angry and refuse to accept what God’s Word says.
You are very judgmental and condemning, but that is the usual response by the name it and claim it false prosperity gospel crowd.
God’s word does NOT teach taking authority over your body for healing, nor the false positive confession nonsense.
You cannot provide ONE example of Jesus or the disciples teaching anywhere or any time what you you are advocating and yet you do nothing but throw insults back at anyone who shows your *theology* to be so unscriptural.
You are advocating false teaching that God never instructed us in in the Bible. There is only one source for that then.
You have not shown from God’s word that it says what you claim it says.
I don’t refuse to accept God’s word. I refuse to accept your unscriptural theology.
Thank you dadfly for taking the time to read this post I’m glad you got something out of it. God Bless!
Thank you gattaca for taking the time to read this post. God Bless!
The word of God is full of promises of healing and that it’s past tense, already done by Christ on the cross. It is you that is stubborn and refuses to look at the word of God and our dug in on the idea that his intention is to not heal everyone. Read your Bible. It is full of promises to heal us. Jeremiah 33:6 I will heal you and reveal to you the abundance of peace and Truth. Psalm 107:20, he sent his word and healed them and delivered them from all their destructions. Even your reference to job which was completely unbiblical, says that he was healed after he prayed for his friends. This will be the last time I respond to you because you have zero interest in actually knowing the truth you are just bitterly attacking people that speak the truth of God’s word that you don’t agree with
spacejunkie2001 if metmon wants an example of positive confession you can show her Abraham and Sarah. God changed their names from Abram-high father to Abraham-father of a multitude and from Sarai to Sarah-Princess of nations to get them speaking in line with his word. Also the woman with the issue of blood when she said, If I may touch,but his clothes I shall be whole in the AMPC it says, for she kept saying. That’s what the word said means in the Strong’s Concordance-a continuing action. God Bless!
Show me where Jesus or the apostles taught us that as a means to apprehend our healing.
Nor did Abraham and Sarah make any positive confessions.
God made them a specific promise of something, a son, and they believed it. That is not deciding for God what he is going to do for you then holding Him hostage to their will.
Nobody has shown me anywhere where Jesus told someone to make positive confessions about healing. I have yet to see where the apostles taught it some where in any of the epistles.
All my requests for such support from Scripture and the questions I asked about my friend’s baby and the church’s pastor have been totally ignored and/or side stepped.
All I get after hearing about how life and death is in the power of the tongue is negative confessions of the worst kind of judgment and condemnation spoken over me.
What kind of Christian character does that if they really believed what they claim?
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