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To: mdmathis6

I don’t think I’m wrong. We are not unconditionally immortal. Our natural existence is non-existence. I’m not a Church of God believer, just a Bible believer.

The teaching of the immortality of the soul goes all the way back to the Garden of Eden, when the Serpent explicitly denied God’s warning to Adam and Eve, “You shall not surely die”.

I believe, based on our creation, that we were made to always need the Tree of Life in order to live an immortal life. Absent the tree, we begin to die.

Don’t think that I don’t think the unsaved aren’t punished. They are. Once destroyed, they will never be resurrected. There is no amount of time that will pass when God says, “That is enough time for him.”

This is an old newsletter by scholar, Samuel Bacchiocchi, on the topic of death.

https://archive.org/details/Samuele-Bacchiocchi-Endtime-Issues-Newsletter-005


123 posted on 03/17/2023 11:32:50 AM PDT by Jonty30 (It is not how many that go into Mexico that counts. It is how many that return from Mexico.)
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To: Jonty30
I believe, based on our creation, that we were made to always need the Tree of Life in order to live an immortal life. Absent the tree, we begin to die.

Yeah. The Book gives some clue about this...

Genesis 3:21-24

21 The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” 23 So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.


132 posted on 03/17/2023 12:11:23 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Jonty30
Have you ever wondered what would have happened if Adam had sampled ALL N-1 trees in the garden (including the ToL) before he munched on the forbiden one??


Genesis 2:15-17

15 The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

133 posted on 03/17/2023 12:14:30 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Jonty30
Revelation 22:1-2

1 Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2 down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.



134 posted on 03/17/2023 12:19:41 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Jonty30

Does that mean twelve DIFFERENT crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month??

or just one type; twelve times a year??

https://www.wideopeneats.com/fruit-cocktail-tree/


136 posted on 03/17/2023 12:21:36 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Jonty30

Show me point blank the black lettering of scriptures that support your view...in context! I’d say much of the combined weight of Christian orthodox doctrin negates you view>

Even CS Lewis called Hell, the final tourniquet that God provides a soul that will not let God do anything else for it.(though I think he conflated both hell and the final lake of fire). Lewis believed in differing afterlives for sinners and saints. You think you can go up against someone like him? I don’t think so! Your Armstrongist World Wide Church of God doctrine can burn in the blazes!


147 posted on 03/17/2023 1:33:26 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (A horrible historic indictment: Biden Democrats plunging the world into war to hide their crimes!)
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