Posted on 11/26/2022 12:02:43 PM PST by ebb tide
VATICAN CITY (LifeSiteNews) — Pope Francis has warned an influential, Vatican-based theological commission against “going backward” in “Tradition,” instead urging them to promote the Gospel by consulting non-Catholic “experts.”
The 85-year-old Pontiff made the comments Thursday to the International Theological Commission, a body of theologians set up by Pope Paul VI in 1969 to advise the Congregation (now Dicastery) for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF).
Francis first highlighted how the Commission was to fulfil its task “in the wake traced by the Second Vatican Council, which – sixty years after its inception – constitutes the sure compass for the journey of the Church.”
Re-iterating his oft-repeated remarks against devotees of Tradition and the traditional Mass, Francis called the commission’s 30 members to practice a “creative fidelity to Tradition.” By doing so, said Francis, the theologians could work “for the progress of the apostolic Tradition, under the assistance of the Holy Spirit.”
“Tradition, the origin of faith, which either grows or dies out,” said Francis. “Tradition – I want to emphasize this – makes us move in this direction: from down up, vertical.”
The Argentine Pontiff continued by making his trademark comments against traditional Catholics: “Today there is a great danger, which is to go in another direction: ‘indietrism.’ Going backward. ‘It has always been done this way’: it is better to go backward, which is safer, and not to go forward with tradition.”
Such a position, said Francis, “has moved some movements, Church movements, to remain fixed in a time, in a backward. They are the indietrists.”
He made reference to un-named movements which emerged after Vatican I which he observed had been “trying to be faithful to tradition, and so today they develop in such a way as to ordain women, and other things, out of this vertical direction.”
Francis criticized those who promoted “indietrism” which, he argued, “leads you to say, ‘That’s the way it’s always been done, it’s better to go on like this,’ and doesn’t let you grow. On this point, you theologians think a little bit about how to help.”
READ: Pope calls for an end to ‘intransigent defense of tradition’
This is by no means the first time that Francis has made such remarks, appearing to single out Catholics devoted to the traditional Mass and criticising them for it.
On one such occasion the Pope suggested that those clerics who opt to don more traditional clerical garb, such as cassocks and clerical hats, possess a “rigid clericalism,” behind which there are “serious problems.”
However, while Francis has used the texts of St. Paul on one occasion to make such an attack on “rigidity,” it was St. Paul himself who wrote: “Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.” (2 Thessalonians 2:14)
Then, in his letter to Titus, St. Paul stipulated that bishops must faithfully adhere to the doctrine of the Church: “Embracing that faithful word which is according to doctrine, that he may be able to exhort in sound doctrine, and to convince the gainsayers.”
Promote Catholic faith by seeking opinion of ‘non-Catholics’
Offering a second guideline to the members of the Commission to continue their studies, Francis advised them to promote the Catholic faith by seeking the advice of those outside the Church.
The Pope spoke of the “appropriateness – in order to carry out with pertinence and incisiveness the work of deepening and inculturation of the Gospel – to open prudently to the contribution of the different disciplines through the consultation of experts, including non-Catholics, as provided for in the Statutes of the Commission.”
In this manner the theologians could practice “transdisciplinarity,” he said, suggesting that by consulting non-Catholics the theologians could draw from their knowledge as it comes from the “Light and Life offered by the Wisdom streaming from God’s Revelation.”
While he urged catechists to “give the right doctrine,” Francis told the ITC to “go further” than the “solid doctrine” as the magisterium will assume the role of informing the theologians when they have gone too far.
Reacting to yet another of the Pope’s attacks upon Tradition, Catholics were swift to rebuff his comments online. Henry Sire, a former Knight of Malta and author of The Dictator Pope, highlighted an apparent contradiction in the Pope’s words.
In comments to LifeSiteNews, U.K. catechist Deacon Nick Donnelly responded to the recommendation to consult “non-Catholics” by questioning its wisdom.
Pope St John Paul II’s statutes for the International Theological Commission allowed for consultation with experts, including non-Catholics (Apostolic Letter, Tredecim Anni, 10). Whilst this allowed for a broad consultation, the wisdom of such a provision is questionable under the pontificate of Pope Francis where such ‘consultation’ is being given primacy.
Continuing, Donnelly summarized Francis’ increasingly heterodox activities with regard to Catholic doctrine. “Since 2013, he has appointed non-Catholic experts who, among other things, advocate eugenics, contraception, and abortion.”
“Pope Francis’ enthusiasm for non-Catholic experts goes so far as him advocating that the Church learns from pagan religions and ‘spiritualities’,” Donnelly said, before warning against such a practice:
The problem with drawing on the expertise of non-Catholic experts to help the Church proclaim the Gospel is that they have, de facto, rejected our Lord Jesus Christ’s institution of the Catholic Church as the ‘sacrament of salvation.’ Such a fundamental antagonism against the Church, and the intentions of our Lord Jesus Christ, surely taints any knowledge or advice they propose to the International Theological Commission.
Ping
I suggest consulting the Bible. LOL
Mr. Bergoglio chose a strange career path for someone with such an aversion to Catholicism.
Great advice!
Or consult Blessed Saint Martin Luther’s writings.
He was a Catholic Priest and actually taught the Scriptures.
“Mr. Bergoglio chose a strange career path for someone with such an aversion to Catholicism.”
Well, not if your goal is to destroy it... much easier to do it from the inside, especially if you have the powee to affect its workings, which as pope, he definitely does.
ANTI-pope. Not the Pope. Never had been.
“So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH”
......Honestly, Bergoglio can’t make it any worse than it already is...
Luther was once a catholic priest who was excommunicated for heresy. He’s no saint.
He is a blessed saint, saved, sealed, and seated in the heavenlies with Christ!
Good old pope socialista faggato, perhaps he is the one that should leave the church instead of leading it into wokeness? I loved the Latin Mass and old traditions and was so irritated with the changes that had been occurring for years that I decided to simply worship the Lord on my own instead of leaving church irritated and angry. If I ever return it will be only after those like pope socialista have been removed and tradition and morality returned. That’s my opinion YMMV.
Under Christ, there are only saints or sinners.
Dream on!
Do you pray to your “saint”?
All saints, except for Mary, were sinners.
Mary was no big deal. I’m Lutheran, by the way.
If he is Lutheran, no. Lutherans do not pray to saints, not even the VM. Christ instructed us to pray, "Our Father...".
It’s interesting. Bergoglio was allegedly not a particularly devout or religious boy. At age 17 in 1954, he got a job working as an apprentice at a chemicals company called Hickethier Bachmann in Buenos Aires. His supervisor was chemist Esther Ballestrino de Careaga, a Paraguayan communist who’d fled her native country. Ballestrino became a mentor to Bergoglio and tutored him in Marxism. The very next year, 1955, Bergoglio entered the archdiocesan seminary Inmaculada Concepción, and three years later he transferred to the Jesuit seminary. One is tempted to connect the dots here.
Ebb, I don’t pray to any saint - including myself - but pray to God alone.
—> All saints, except for Mary, were sinners.
Mary was a sinner too. She was chosen to bear Messiah by the grace of God.
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