Posted on 11/06/2022 5:28:44 PM PST by Roman_War_Criminal
Chief Messenger (not necessarily a CREATED, FLUFFY-WINGED angel)
Such a simple concept. Sort of like created angels can be called saints, like the ones coming back with Christ at the second coming (not previously raptured humans).
Oh. The confusion is entirely my fault. Please accept my apologies.
My post was in response to the following words in your post 316:
“1 Thes 4: (KJV)...many other translations also use “the”
16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of THE archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
“...with the voice of THE archangel”
My point, which apparently I did not make clear, is that you or others are supplying the word “THE.”
——>My point, which apparently I did not make clear, is that you or others are supplying the word “THE.”
Then you can certainly take that up with the translators of the KJV and many others that supply the word “THE”.
Well, there ya go, Phil. It’s free and truthful info for the taking ... if one were of such a mind.
Rev 19:7-8 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.Do you see the problem with saying “for the fine linen is the righteousness of angels”?
Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.Can some of the armies be men?
——>Can some of the armies be men?
No. I agree with the following assessment:
Coffman’s Commentaries on the Bible (Rev 19:14)
And the armies which are in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and pure.
And the armies which are in heaven followed him ... Any literalism here, as in most of the prophecy, is impossible. We agree with Pieters that this does not symbolize Christians. “It is an idea alien to the Scriptures to speak of Christians going forth again to wage war on evil, after attaining a heavenly rest.”[44] The Lord never depicted his sheep as organized in a campaign of destruction directed against the wolves! “The armies which are in heaven must be angelic armies.”[45] This also corresponds to the oft-repeated mention of a host of holy angels participating in the final judgment (Matt. 13:41,49,2 Thessalonians 1:7). The undeniable identification of the last part of this chapter with the final judgment is inherent in the makeup of this vast army. Caird thought these were Christians,[46] and Rist identified them as “the martyrs”;[47] but such views impose great difficulty in fitting them logically into the entire vision.
[44] Albertus Pieters, op. cit., p. 204.
[45] Ibid.
[46] G. B. Caird, op. cit., p. 265.
[47] Martin Rist, The Interpreter’s Bible, Vol. XII (New York-Nashville: Abingdon Press, 1950), p. 514.
Revelation 2:26-27 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.What does it mean to rule with a rod of iron? This has not happened yet. Who will Christ rule over? Perhaps the flesh which will be preserved when Christ returns (those days will be shortened) and we will rule with him(Rev 20:4).
——>The fulfillment of prophecy is always literal
He isn’t talking about “fulfillment” of prophecy.
——>What does it mean to rule with a rod of iron?
Compare with...
27. Rule. Gr. poimainō, literally, “to shepherd,” and thus “to rule” (see on Matt. 2:6). The passage is quoted from Ps. 2:9. For the time, circumstances, and nature of Christ’s breaking the nations with a “rod of iron” see on Rev. 19:15. That the Jews considered Ps. 2:9 a Messianic prediction is evident from the pseudepigraphical Psalms of Solomon 17:26 (Charles, op. cit., p. 649): “He [Messiah, Son of David] shall thrust out sinners from (the) inheritance, He shall destroy the pride of the sinner as a potter’s vessel.
With a rod of iron he shall break in pieces all their substance.” Inasmuch as the redeemed will live and reign with Christ they are here represented as sharing Christ’s work (see on Rev. 12:5; 20:4).
SDA Bible Commentary
Daniel 9 refers to Jesus as the ruler, the prince — not oen of the princes of angels.
So you agree with me....Prince is not one of the Archangels, which would be ridiculous.
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