Posted on 04/23/2022 7:00:01 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
Archbishop Vigano takes on the Jesuits while a prominent Jesuit celebrates the collapse of priestly vocations.
Were you praying to your mattress as you prayed before bed as a youth?
Ditto!
Ex Catholic here too. I went to a Catholic high school. I was a rather ignorant Catholic. I didn’t know the difference between a Jesuit, or any of them. My dad was in the Knights of Columbus. Don’t know anything about them either. We had 3 priests. One was a huge A hole. Maybe he was a Jesuit. I don’t know. I guess I wasn’t very well versed in the catechism. 😀😊
I definitely object to the homosexual stuff, but even more, I disagree with the plan of salvation. Maybe you know why. 👍
We former Catholics have better memories of what happened in the Catholic church than you currently practicing FRoman Catholics would like to admit.
And we know and remember what we did and what our family, friends, and co-workers did.
There’s no way any Catholic can justify the breaking of the second commandment by Catholics when they pray to statues and light candles to them, and bow down to them, no matter what hyperbole they engage in.
Nice try to deflect from totally lost souls praying to pagan statue.
No matter how you try to sugar coat that photo - those people are praying to a demon.
Yep bro - an ex-catholic here also.
The fact that they lie through their teeth about basic Biblical Doctrine and it sends billions to hell is why I’m at war with them.
The irony is lost on abiding Catholics who don’t even read The Holy Bible either.
We don't pray to statues.
We venerate the person portrayed, asking that she petition her son on our behalf.
We don't pray to statues.
We venerate the person portrayed, asking that she petition her son on our behalf.
Why do you just not go to the Father directly? Why use time and breath going to someone who isn’t God when you have open access to the Lord himself?
Nobody claimed that Catholics prayed to the statue. The problems are, they are praying to someone besides God for stuff that only God can give, and that the second Commandment forbids creating images and bowing down before them, both of which Catholics do when they light candles and kneel and pray before the statue representing the person they are wasting time praying to.
And elevating people above others is sin. Here, from Catholic’s favorite book of the Bible.
James 2:8-11 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it. For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.
The only reason I can see that someone would go to another being and pray to them is that they don’t think God Himself will either hear or answer their prayers.
It never seems to occur to them that if God is not going to answer their prayer Himself, no other being is going to answer it for Him. That would be going against God’s will and if the saints are all Catholics make them out to be, no saint is going to give an answer that opposes what God would do.
It appears that Catholics never stop to think through what they believe.
So, you never ask friends of family to pray for you?
So, you haven't been reading the posts that do just that?
"elevating people above others"???? a very odd claim.
Is that what you do when you ask somebody to pray for you?
So, you never ask friends of family to pray for you?
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The answer I was expecting, and I have a response.
Let’s set aside for a moment fact that when I ask metmom to pray for me, that I don’t light candles around a picture of her.
Let’s also set aside the fact that when I ask metmom to pray for me, I don’t bow down to a picture of her.
And finally, let’s set aside for a moment that when I ask metmom to pray for me, that it is also a gift for her to have the privilege of approaching the Father.
Instead, I’d love to focus on the fact that the words “please pray for me” is the work of a second, and you choose to spend many minutes invoking a saint instead, and oftentimes *instead* of praying to the Father.
Why not use those minutes to pray to God instead?
What do you think you can get out of invoking a saint instead of going to God directly?
And let’s finally set aside the fact—for the moment—that metmom is alive and I know for a fact that she can hear me whereas I have no such guarantee for any other dead people.
I think in some sense many of them are aware but don’t want to admit it.
I mean, look at how reluctant they are to give a straight answer to “why not just pray to the Father directly?” Instead, giving a defensive deflection to ‘muh friends and family.’
If they genuinely thought that it’s not sinful to try to manipulate God by getting someone “better” than you to ask him instead, wouldn’t they just say so?
Nice try.
But elevating people to sainthood as Catholicism does and praying to them, asking them to do things for them, is.
And there are plenty of Catholic prayers online that prove, beyond any doubt, that Catholics do not simply ask dead people they have inappropriately elevated to pray for them, that they actually ask the dead people they are elevating and making idols of to actually act on their behalf themselves.
I guess they missed this passage of Scripture…..
Luke 11:1-13 Now Jesus was praying in a certain place, and when he finished, one of his disciples said to him, “Lord, teach us to pray, as John taught his disciples.” And he said to them, “When you pray, say :
“Father, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come. Give us each day our daily bread, and forgive us our sins, for we ourselves forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation.”
And he said to them, “Which of you who has a friend will go to him at midnight and say to him, ‘Friend, lend me three loaves, for a friend of mine has arrived on a journey, and I have nothing to set before him’; and he will answer from within, ‘Do not bother me; the door is now shut, and my children are with me in bed. I cannot get up and give you anything’? I tell you, though he will not get up and give him anything because he is his friend, yet because of his impudence he will rise and give him whatever he needs.
And I tell you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened. What father among you, if his son asks for a fish, will instead of a fish give him a serpent; or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”
Catholicism presents God as a stingy Scrooge who doles out reluctant tiny parcels of grace and answers to prayer unless the person sufficiently abases themselves and shamelessly begs and grovels for it to prove how worthy they are.
Hardly the loving Heavenly Father who welcomed home the prodigal and LAVISHES His grace upon us.
Ephesians 3:1-10 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.
Ephesians 3:20-21 Now to him who is able to do far more abundantly than all that we ask or think, according to the power at work within us, to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, forever and ever. Amen.
my father and brothers sang in the choir, my brothers were altar boys, we girls participated in many processions with long white dresses the nuns would keep in a box and pull out for the girls to wear....
we had May processions to honor Mary, the mother of Jesus.....
I know where we went wrong...homosexuality....it has altered my church leadership....
but as you know fully, a church is its people and doctrine, not its leadership...
I just love these anti Catholic threads....brings out the best in peoples hatred of others....
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