To: aMorePerfectUnion
Ok, no railing...
Does this mean you are of this BEMA seat deal where our actions DO matter then?..as MrTN is talking about... that would change things but also contradict longstanding theology.
Paul is throwing out warnings like beads at Mardi Gras parade... even tells the Galatian church? (I think) That he had warned them once we before even, so it's like a second notice deal- which is significantly important to Paul then.
But if the Protestant who's foundation is Faith alone, and is doing something "wrong", sinning- it has no consequence, "sin boldly, believe more boldly" Luther says. So sinning boldly at a pagan potluck should not be an issue for Paul to be concerned with. If other beliefs are considered- the Corinyjians do not even possess the free will to make sinful decisions
So there really is no crime... ...Others who claim good works dont count for Salvation and are of mo benefit- then Bad works can't count toward damnation then... and you can do anything you want with that perspective.
I've read where some Protestants believe that we are not "under the Law" of even the 10 Commandments. I thong that's nutty - but I guess a good number of believers think that way... which to me negates any need for the BEMA judgement...
There is a confusing disconnect here and smh..
Are you of the BEMA seat crowd then?
698 posted on
03/22/2022 9:00:33 PM PDT by
MurphsLaw
(" I tell you, No; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.”)
To: MurphsLaw
Read post #699. If you have questions rom that post try to hold off until you are no longer 'under the influence' tiomorrow and we will gladly and earnestly address them. The Bema Judgment takes place In Heaven, AFTER Jesus has gathered His Body of Christ glorified Believers to Himself in the clouds and returned to the Father's House. The Bema seat is not for judging to give salvation, because it is a 'reviewing' for ONLY those who have already been born again / born from above. At the Bema Seat Judgment, rewards are meted out according to performance, and written of as crowns.
Finally, once saved the spirit of me is no longer sequestered to the soul of me, the behavior mechanism of me. The Word of God is more powerful than any two edged sword, able to separate soul and spirit. With salvation the spirit is separated sufficiently from the soul such that the Righteousness of Christ imputed to the newborn is in force by the Holy Spirit abiding in that newborn and separated spirit *1John3:9).
Thanks be to God my newborn spirit CANNOT sin even as the behavior mechanism does sin, is drawn to sin, is unregenerate and destined for dissolution when I die or God transforms me at the Rapture.
700 posted on
03/22/2022 9:19:43 PM PDT by
MHGinTN
(A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
To: MurphsLaw
BTW, no less a ‘protestant’ than Paul The Apostle said we are no longer under the law. You can look it up! The law is no longer in effect to those who have been gifted The Righteousness of Christ in their newborn spirit. THAT is how unbounded The Grace of God in Christ IS.
701 posted on
03/22/2022 9:22:17 PM PDT by
MHGinTN
(A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
To: MurphsLaw
...Bad works can't count toward damnation then...You are correct.
Only UNBELIEF.
(Be careful what qualifiers you use.)
Read the angel's message one more time...
720 posted on
03/23/2022 4:35:15 AM PDT by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: MurphsLaw
—> Does this mean you are of this BEMA seat deal where our actions DO matter then?
God reveals the Bema Seat in Scripture, where the saved believer’s works are judged and he suffers loss or reward. In either case, he himself is saved.
—> But if the Protestant who’s foundation is Faith alone
No this is false on two fronts.
First, there are ONLY saved believers OR the unsaved, regardless of church affiliation.
Second, faith is how we receive His Indescribable gift. He is the basis, His sacrifice and grace alone save.
Christ alone saves.
Works do not save.
Churches do not save.
—> So sinning boldly at a pagan potluck should not be an issue for Paul to be concerned with.
But he was.
—> we are not “under the Law” of even the 10 Commandments
Saved believers are dead to the Law.
But this is never a license to sin. Sin breaks our fellowship with God. The consequences of sin at the Bema Seat is described as loss.
When we are saved, we have a new relationship with God. It is Him we want to please.
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