[af_vet_1981]

You did not answer the question, "Do you think Mary is a goddess ?"

Instead, I understood you to assert that Mary was totally depraved according to John Calvin ("a sinful person just like anyone"). Is that what you believe ?

[Jim W N]

Who said that Mary was totally depraved?

And your “goddess” question is irrelevant and deflective. Nobody said anything about Mary being a goddess unless that’s what the Catholics think.

The Catholic approach is to worship Mary, a flawed human being just like everyone, and that is idol worship. Stick to the point there af_vet_1981.

[metmom]

Instead, I understood you to assert that Mary was totally depraved according to John Calvin ("a sinful person just like anyone"). Is that what you believe ?

Jim simply said that she was a sinner like everyone else.

What’s with the goalpost moving and suddenly dragging in Calvin and his doctrine? What does that have to do with what he said?

Why are you changing it and throwing min a *Have you stopped beating your wife yet?* kind of question?

How is it you *understand* him to say something he neither asserted nor implied? What kind of assumptions are you working under about him based on one statement?

[circlecity]

“Instead, I understood you to assert that Mary was totally depraved according to John Calvin ("a sinful person just like anyone"). Is that what you believe ?”

Mary was not deity thus she suffered from original sin like everyone else.