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Priest incorrectly performed thousands of baptisms by changing word, making them invalid
Fox News ^ | 2/14/2022 | David Aaro | Fox News

Posted on 02/15/2022 5:49:53 AM PST by kinsman redeemer

The Diocese of Phoenix said 'all of the baptisms he has performed until June 17, 2021, are presumed invalid'

"The issue with using ‘We’ is that it is not the community that baptizes a person, rather, it is Christ, and Him alone, who presides at all of the sacraments, and so it is Christ Jesus who baptizes," Olmsted said.

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TOPICS: Catholic; General Discusssion; Theology
KEYWORDS: andresarango; baptism
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To: Bayard

Words mean things, and words are power. Jesus used words to call fourth Lazarus from the Tomb.
***The Power that raised Lazarus from the dead was not a word, it was THE WORD: Jesus, Who was God Himself.


101 posted on 02/15/2022 7:36:02 AM PST by Kevmo (I’m immune from Covid since I don’t watch TV.🤗)
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To: Skwor

You are standing alone on that scripture, by your implied reasoning all who are baptized will now speak in tongues.


You are a bit confused. Where did I say that? Where does God say that?

Go back and reread it with eyes to other words. Speaking in tongues is not the only result.


102 posted on 02/15/2022 7:37:35 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Hman528
wrong- john 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

So, to complete the thinking here Salvation is from Jesus Christ whose own words instituted Baptism. So, Baptism comes from Jesus and is required by Jesus to be Born again, "Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit." Jn 3:5.

103 posted on 02/15/2022 7:37:42 AM PST by Bayard
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To: Skwor

Replying to myself to clarify. I do not mean they earned anything. I posit that G-d knows who will and would have accepted Christ and judges a heart as such. There are those who will never hear the word of G-d but would eagerly accept Christ. Those who die will be judged mercifully by G-d, I believe the Bible supports that argument.


104 posted on 02/15/2022 7:38:53 AM PST by Skwor
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To: Flaming Conservative

Where does the Bible say baptism confers grace?


John 3 (being born again of water and the Spirit), Acts 2 (receiving the Holy Spirit), Titus (regeneration), Ephesians I think (purifying the Church with the water and the word) off the top of my head.


105 posted on 02/15/2022 7:38:59 AM PST by CraigEsq
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To: Bayard

ok... you do realize the verse you referenced is talking about actual physical birth as when the water breaks and a person is born, and then spiritual birth when a person believes on Jesus for salvation.


106 posted on 02/15/2022 7:40:41 AM PST by Hman528
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To: Kevmo

Baptism doesn’t save. Faith in Jesus is what saves.


It’s not an either or. Baptism saves through Jesus’s death and resurrection. 1 Peter 3. Take it up with Peter if you don’t like it.


107 posted on 02/15/2022 7:40:45 AM PST by CraigEsq
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To: DannyTN

How come the Corinthians never wrote Paul back?


108 posted on 02/15/2022 7:41:32 AM PST by EC Washington
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To: Bayard

You continue to avoid answering, how was the thief next to Christ able to go to heaven? He was not baptized.


109 posted on 02/15/2022 7:41:47 AM PST by Skwor
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To: Kevmo

Who spoke his own words and gave life to Lazarus.

The word is spoken, yes?

Every grace comes from Jesus right?

What point are you making?


110 posted on 02/15/2022 7:41:51 AM PST by Bayard
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To: Bayard

You quote Paul, but I will quote Jesus.
***Are you denying that Paul’s letters in the bible are inspired by God? Peter said they were.

“Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you.” Mt 28:19-20. -Jesus
***That’s a great verse. I love it. You manage to intellectually bounce off that great verse and contort it into saying a bunch of stuff it doesn’t say. You might as well have put up the shortest verse “Jesus wept” for all the bouncing and meaningless interjection you have added to the verse.

Apostles clearly understood that grace was necessary for belief and proclamation of the faith.
***Fantastic... I just can’t see how you go from that... to this:

Baptism confers grace.
***Where does it say this in the bible? Where does it even HINT at this?


111 posted on 02/15/2022 7:42:52 AM PST by Kevmo (I’m immune from Covid since I don’t watch TV.🤗)
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To: Flaming Conservative

Water + baptized in the name of the Trinity. Those are the only requirements. No problems. Jesus didn’t say to use I or we.


112 posted on 02/15/2022 7:44:25 AM PST by CraigEsq
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To: Hman528

Do you think baptism gets its value from what you “think” or “feel” about it?


113 posted on 02/15/2022 7:45:20 AM PST by Campion (NO Wag-the-Dog WARS for Big Guy Brandon's 10%)
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To: dsat4life

Point out what he said that was unbiblical.


114 posted on 02/15/2022 7:45:26 AM PST by Kevmo (I’m immune from Covid since I don’t watch TV.🤗)
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To: Skwor

You continue to avoid answering, how was the thief next to Christ able to go to heaven? He was not baptized.


Jesus told him he was going to heaven. End of story. Jesus isn’t physically here to tell you that... that’s what baptism does.

Plus it was from before Jesus commanded baptism as part of the great commission anyway, so it’s not much of an argument.


115 posted on 02/15/2022 7:45:53 AM PST by CraigEsq
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To: Skwor
There is no magic incantation that makes a baptism valid or invalid.

So I can baptize someone in the name of Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Joseph Biden, and you're fine with that?

116 posted on 02/15/2022 7:46:25 AM PST by Campion (NO Wag-the-Dog WARS for Big Guy Brandon's 10%)
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To: Hman528

Its also another case of being born anew from both water and spirit. Because its context has more meaning than this based on the other words of Jesus, such as “go and Baptize.”

Baptism is necessary and important based on Jesus own words.


117 posted on 02/15/2022 7:47:07 AM PST by Bayard
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To: CraigEsq

Classic example of Jesus and...

Adding to G-d’s word what he ha snot said is a very dangerous thing.

Christ is sufficient, that is clearly stated over and over in the bible.

Our Lord is big enough that his death alone was sufficient, He does not need a ritualistic tradition to confer his grace.


118 posted on 02/15/2022 7:47:09 AM PST by Skwor
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To: CraigEsq

’s not an either or. Baptism saves through Jesus’s death and resurrection. 1 Peter 3. Take it up with Peter if you don’t like it.
***Thief on the cross. Take it up with Him if you don’t like it. Take it up with Paul who didn’t question BELIEF when he found unbaptized believers. Acts 19:2 He asked them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you BELIEVED [in Jesus as the Christ]?”


119 posted on 02/15/2022 7:48:02 AM PST by Kevmo (I’m immune from Covid since I don’t watch TV.🤗)
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To: Thank You Rush

yeah


120 posted on 02/15/2022 7:48:06 AM PST by Hman528
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