Posted on 02/15/2022 5:49:53 AM PST by kinsman redeemer
The Diocese of Phoenix said 'all of the baptisms he has performed until June 17, 2021, are presumed invalid'
"The issue with using ‘We’ is that it is not the community that baptizes a person, rather, it is Christ, and Him alone, who presides at all of the sacraments, and so it is Christ Jesus who baptizes," Olmsted said.
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Words mean things, and words are power. Jesus used words to call fourth Lazarus from the Tomb.
***The Power that raised Lazarus from the dead was not a word, it was THE WORD: Jesus, Who was God Himself.
You are standing alone on that scripture, by your implied reasoning all who are baptized will now speak in tongues.
Go back and reread it with eyes to other words. Speaking in tongues is not the only result.
So, to complete the thinking here Salvation is from Jesus Christ whose own words instituted Baptism. So, Baptism comes from Jesus and is required by Jesus to be Born again, "Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit." Jn 3:5.
Replying to myself to clarify. I do not mean they earned anything. I posit that G-d knows who will and would have accepted Christ and judges a heart as such. There are those who will never hear the word of G-d but would eagerly accept Christ. Those who die will be judged mercifully by G-d, I believe the Bible supports that argument.
Where does the Bible say baptism confers grace?
John 3 (being born again of water and the Spirit), Acts 2 (receiving the Holy Spirit), Titus (regeneration), Ephesians I think (purifying the Church with the water and the word) off the top of my head.
ok... you do realize the verse you referenced is talking about actual physical birth as when the water breaks and a person is born, and then spiritual birth when a person believes on Jesus for salvation.
Baptism doesn’t save. Faith in Jesus is what saves.
It’s not an either or. Baptism saves through Jesus’s death and resurrection. 1 Peter 3. Take it up with Peter if you don’t like it.
How come the Corinthians never wrote Paul back?
You continue to avoid answering, how was the thief next to Christ able to go to heaven? He was not baptized.
Who spoke his own words and gave life to Lazarus.
The word is spoken, yes?
Every grace comes from Jesus right?
What point are you making?
You quote Paul, but I will quote Jesus.
***Are you denying that Paul’s letters in the bible are inspired by God? Peter said they were.
“Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you.” Mt 28:19-20. -Jesus
***That’s a great verse. I love it. You manage to intellectually bounce off that great verse and contort it into saying a bunch of stuff it doesn’t say. You might as well have put up the shortest verse “Jesus wept” for all the bouncing and meaningless interjection you have added to the verse.
Apostles clearly understood that grace was necessary for belief and proclamation of the faith.
***Fantastic... I just can’t see how you go from that... to this:
Baptism confers grace.
***Where does it say this in the bible? Where does it even HINT at this?
Water + baptized in the name of the Trinity. Those are the only requirements. No problems. Jesus didn’t say to use I or we.
Do you think baptism gets its value from what you “think” or “feel” about it?
Point out what he said that was unbiblical.
You continue to avoid answering, how was the thief next to Christ able to go to heaven? He was not baptized.
Jesus told him he was going to heaven. End of story. Jesus isn’t physically here to tell you that... that’s what baptism does.
Plus it was from before Jesus commanded baptism as part of the great commission anyway, so it’s not much of an argument.
So I can baptize someone in the name of Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Joseph Biden, and you're fine with that?
Its also another case of being born anew from both water and spirit. Because its context has more meaning than this based on the other words of Jesus, such as “go and Baptize.”
Baptism is necessary and important based on Jesus own words.
Classic example of Jesus and...
Adding to G-d’s word what he ha snot said is a very dangerous thing.
Christ is sufficient, that is clearly stated over and over in the bible.
Our Lord is big enough that his death alone was sufficient, He does not need a ritualistic tradition to confer his grace.
’s not an either or. Baptism saves through Jesus’s death and resurrection. 1 Peter 3. Take it up with Peter if you don’t like it.
***Thief on the cross. Take it up with Him if you don’t like it. Take it up with Paul who didn’t question BELIEF when he found unbaptized believers. Acts 19:2 He asked them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you BELIEVED [in Jesus as the Christ]?”
yeah
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