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To: Cronos; Luircin
"And you bring another modernist interpretation with your The NT church never know of the Catholic priesthood, that of a separate class of normatively celibate men whose primary unique function was to offer the Lord's supper as a sacrifice for sins Completely ignoring" "Matthew 19:12 12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother’s womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by people; and there are also eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who is able to accept this, let him accept it.”

Which means that it is you who is completely ignoring what is written, for rather than me ignoring the above, I said, "And which is speaking to the flock, and most particularly to youth and women, and is not focusing in elders. Those who have essentially "made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake" can be from any station in life. "He that is able to receive it, let him receive it." (Matthew 19:12)

How could you miss that, while imagining that this refers to "a separate class of normatively celibate men whose primary unique function was to offer the Lord's supper as a sacrifice for sins?" Where O where do you see this unique sacerdotal celibate class being those who are ordained as pastors, when instead what Scripture actually says is,

"A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) (1 Timothy 3:2-5)"

Talk about completely ignoring!

"And Rev 14:4 These are the ones who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are celibate. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These have been purchased from mankind as first fruits to God and to the Lamb. "

Likewise, where O where is this shown to refer to NT pastors and thus your priesthood? And while it actually literally refers to virgins cf. virgin, 7 Mat_1:23, Luk_1:27, 1Co_7:28, 1Co_7:34, 1Co_7:36-37 (2), 2Co_11:2; virgins, 6 Mat_25:1, Mat_25:7, Mat_25:11, Act_21:9, 1Co_7:25; virgin’s, 1 Luk_1:27) of the hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel? (Revelation 7:4)

"And 1 Corinthians 7 1 Now in regard to the matters about which you wrote: “It is a good thing for a man not to touch a woman,... 6 This I say by way of concession,[d] however, not as a command. 7 Indeed, I wish everyone to be as I am, but each has a particular gift from God,[e] one of one kind and one of another...."

Again, you completely ignore that I dealt with that, saying, While being celibate as a Christian so that one may be able to more singularly focus on personal holiness and the formal work of the Lord is affirmed, it is for those who have that gift and call - especially in the context of "present distress" and imminent societal trial - which is the pre-70 AD context of 1 Corinthians 7:7-9, 26-38...And since Paul states that celibacy is a gift (not that this necessarily make celibacy easy) that not all have, (1 Co. 7:7) therefore to presume all who are called to the pastorate have that gift is an unscriptural and even dangerous presumption.

And regardless if you disagree with some of what I said, it remains that the NT church never know of the Catholic priesthood, that of a separate class of normatively celibate men whose primary unique function was to confect and offer the body and blood of Christ (under the appearance of non-existent bread and wine) as a sacrifice for sins, and provide it to the flock as spiritual life-giving food.

Rather, while it should be expected that pastors would have usually conducted the Lord's supper even if they are not actually described as doing so in Acts onward, yet what is shown is that NT presbuteros/episkopos were usualy married, and that their primary work (besides prayer) is that of preaching. (Act 6:3,4; 2 Tim.4:2) By which they “feed the flock” (Acts 20:28; 1Pt. 5:2) ) for the word is called spiritual "milk," (1Co. 3:22; 1Pt. 1:22) and "meat," (Heb. 5:12-14) what is said to "nourish" the souls of believers, and believing it is how the lost obtain life in themselves. (1 Timothy 4:6; ;Acts 15:7-9; cf. Psalms 19:7) In contrast to the Catholic corruption of the Lord's supper, nowhere in Acts onward (which reveals how the NT church understood the gospels and OT) is the Lord's supper described as sacrifice for sins nor as spiritual food, and the means of obtaining spiritual life in oneself.

Thus vain attempts to read into the inspired record what you can only wish is is there fail. Once again.

45 posted on 12/19/2021 4:55:29 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: daniel1212
"A bishop then must be ...


Ignore? Oh NO!

You fail to realize what the word MUST means!


--Wannabe_Catholic_Dude(Hail Mary!)



61 posted on 12/20/2021 2:21:06 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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