[SamuraiScot]

A person who believes Immaculate Conception is a dunce.

Well, I don't believe that Immaculate Conception is a dunce. I believe it's a traditional understanding of Our Lady's nature that was defined as dogma in I think 1854.

But your excellent handle has me wondering: Jan Sobieski is renowned as a Catholic King who saved Europe. By his time, the feast of the Immaculate Conception was widely celebrated as a feast day. Do you have reason to think he was a dunce? Or that he didn't believe that Our Lady was conceived without original sin?

[Jan_Sobieski]

Duns Scotus was the dunce.

Mary needed to be saved from sin…like all of us!

Luke 1: 46And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, 47And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

[Elsie]

I believe it's a traditional understanding of Our Lady's nature that was defined as dogma in I think 1854.

WHAT???!!!???

No early church fathers that nailed this down before the Dark Ages??