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To: MHGinTN

Are you saying that a person who is born again in Christ is incapable of sinning?


38 posted on 08/04/2021 7:01:16 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius
Absolutely NOT what I am saying. The soul, your behavior mechanism, is trained in sin to want to sin. The sanctification phase is the interval a saved person goes through for the rest of their life, UNlearning to sin. When the final phase of salvation happens, God puts a new behavior mechainsm in you and gives you a new glorified body fit for eternal PHYSICAL existence.

God gave all of Adam's descendants a spirit. That spirit until born again is dead in tresppasses and sins. God puts His life in the psirit, not the soul. The soul has grown up sinning and continues to want to do what comes so naturally to it. Paul showed us that even his soul sinned which grieved not just the Holy Spirit within his spirit but grieved Paul too! But he was never not born again once God birthed him from above. Sin is like a viper's poison. But once God cleanses the spirit and comes to abide therein, the born again spirit remains sinless because God is in there. The soul/behavior mechanism is separate from the bornb again spirit (12 For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. 1599 Geneva Bible)

40 posted on 08/04/2021 7:14:07 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Petrosius; Cronos

Are you saying that a person who is born again in Christ is incapable of sinning?


Yes, they are saying that.

A while back there was a lengthy discussion about this EXACT topic. I’m going to ping Cronos to this and ask if he can find the link (I can’t do it right now because I’ve got 2 more nights in a row to work). So Cronos, if you could do that it would certainly clarify what these people believe, as unbelievable and unscriptural as it may sound.

Yes, some believe that “born again’s” cannot sin. Some believe that even if they can sin, it won’t affect them in the least. Sin all you want and they are still going to heaven. We talked about Ravi Zacharias and the accusations against him, if true (rape, adultry, embezzlement, etc...and I’m not saying he did it.) Many said that even if every accusation was true, RAVI WILL BE IN HEAVEN, because he was already sealed and NOTHING can change that (not judging, just using him as an example).

That’s what MHGinTN and others on this forum believe (your soul/flesh can sin but your spirit can’t). So, let your flesh sin all it wants to. You are still going go heaven.

To them, it comes down to once saved, always saved, no matter how much willful sin may be committed AFTER one’s conversion to Christ. And of course, their complete misunderstanding of everything Paul says about the law (to fit their justification that they are not required to keep the commandments/law).


61 posted on 08/05/2021 6:03:31 AM PDT by Philsworld
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