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How We lost The Bible
The Catholic Thing ^ | 8-4-2021 | Casey Chalk

Posted on 08/04/2021 2:19:35 PM PDT by MurphsLaw

The promotion of Biblical interpretations serving secular, liberal political agendas of sex and race is only the latest manifestation of a centuries-old trend.

The Bible makes no explicit condemnations of transgenderism. It makes no claims as to the morality of abortion. It encourages racial reparations. Such claims can be found virtually everywhere in corporate media like the Washington Post, New York Times, or CNN, which seek to promote the various political objectives of the Democratic Party.

During his campaign for president, Episcopalian Pete Buttigieg argued that Jesus never mentioned abortion and that Bible verses censuring homosexuality were culturally conditioned, not eternal truths. The Washington Post, in turn, cites secular academics, who offer Biblical exegesis of a progressivist, feminist, and racial identitarian variety.

Of course, the Bible has always been a political document. The Old Testament was not only a religious and liturgical text but one that had much to say about the governance of the ancient kingdom of Israel. Jesus told his followers to respect and pay taxes to the Roman Empire. St. Paul described the temporal ruler as “God’s servant for your good.” (Romans 13:3-4)

For most of ecclesial history, the primary interpreters of Holy Scripture were not journalists, politicians, or secular academics, but the Catholic Church herself. Most early Church Fathers were priests or bishops. Ecumenical councils like Nicea, Chalcedon, or Lyon made determinations on theology, morality, and the meaning of the Bible.

But beginning in the fourteenth century, scholars like Marsilius of Padua and William of Ockham began questioning the hierarchy’s hold on biblical interpretation. Instead, they proposed, the Bible should be under the authority of scholarly experts supported by secular political authorities. Though it would take several centuries for their ideas to proliferate, this thinking came to fruition in the Reformation and Enlightenment, and inspire trends in scriptural exegesis to this day.

This story is the focus of Scott Hahn’s and Benjamin Wiker’s book, The Decline and Fall of Sacred Scripture: How the Bible Became a Secular Book. Less than three-hundred pages, the book summarizes the central arguments of the authors’ 2012 Politicizing the Bible: The Roots of Historical Criticism and the Secularization of Scripture 1300-1700, which is more than twice the size. This is a welcome development; it makes their important contributions accessible to a larger audience.

While the story begins with Marsilius and Ockham and their Erastian belief in the supremacy of the state over the Church, the reader will encounter many familiar faces. John Wycliffe, esteemed by Protestants as the “Morning Star” of the Reformation, argued that “the pope ought, as he formerly was, to be subject to Caesar.” The monarch would then employ “doctors and worshipers of the divine law” to interpret the Bible. Martin Luther also called for the German princes to wrest ecclesial power away from corrupt bishops and the Roman pontiff, and grant him unequaled interpretive authority. Indeed, Luther asked the prince of Saxony to expel fellow reformer Andreas Bodenstein von Karlstadt because of the latter’s radical teachings. Around the same time, Machiavelli viewed the biblical text as material for furthering secular political ends.

All of these men influenced the court of English King Henry VIII, who recognized that the Reformation offered an opportunity to consolidate his political power. Thus, he pursued the Act of Supremacy in 1534 to grant him “supreme” headship over the Church of England, followed by the dissolution of monasteries, closure of shrines, and seizure of Church wealth. His King’s Book then declared that individuals must be subject to the “particular church” of the region in which they live, and obey the “Christian kings and princes” to whom they are subject.

Other Englishmen would further endorse this thinking. In Leviathan, Thomas Hobbes asserts that there is only “one chief Pastor” who is “according to the law of Nature. . .the civil sovereign.” Hobbes also rejected many of the supernatural elements of Scripture, as well as Heaven and Hell. John Locke, dismayed by the violence and distemper caused by the English Civil War, endorsed a state-controlled church whose most important feature would be “toleration,” since religious sentiments were private matters “of the mind.” For Locke, Jesus was ultimately a political messiah whose teachings focused on the perpetuation of a “civil morality.”

There are many other actors in this torrid tale – Baruch Spinoza, J. Richard Simon, John Toland – but enough is clear from the above to appreciate the consequences of these religio-political trends. Proto-Reformers called for dethroning the Catholic hierarchy’s supremacy over biblical interpretation. The Reformers, relying on princes and kings, put that wish into practice. And political philosophers and state-sanctioned scholars normalized it. Wherever the Catholic Church ceased to exert ecclesial authority, the state took up the reins.

There has always been this tension between Church and state. St. Ambrose excommunicated the emperor Theodosius because of his execution of 7,000 citizens of Thessalonica. Pope Gregory VII excommunicated the Holy Roman Emperor Henry IV because of a dispute over investiture. And Thomas Becket’s resistance to English King Henry II’s attempts to control the Church resulted in his murder at Canterbury Cathedral.

There is actually something healthy about this tension: when the state and the Church both operate strong spheres of power and influence, they serve as checks upon one another. Kings and governments cannot pursue any policy without risking moral condemnation from ecclesial leadership that will undermine their popular support. And Church corruption and nepotism can be used by secular authorities eager to usurp power.

Hahn’s and Wiker’s history tracks the growing imbalance in favor of the state, a disparity whose roots can be traced back to the late Medieval period. The ubiquitous promotion of Biblical interpretations that serve secular, liberal political agendas related to sex and race is only the latest manifestation of this centuries-old trend. To reverse it requires a return to a more ancient understanding that the Bible is, before all else, the book of the Church, rather than the state or its acolytes in the media or the academy. Catholics need to support and celebrate churchmen who appreciate and seek to realize that essential mission.


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To: kinsman redeemer
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

101 posted on 08/05/2021 6:15:51 PM PDT by Seven_0 (You cannot fool all of the people, ever!)
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To: Misitheus
That's a decision you must make. Suggested reading:

Evidence That Demands a Verdict

102 posted on 08/05/2021 7:02:34 PM PDT by boatbums (Lord, make my life a testimony to the value of knowing you.)
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To: Petrosius; MHGinTN
You are still avoiding the direct and clear words of Paul: THOSE WHO SIN WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD! This Biblical truth comes before any circumlocutious attempt to deny it.

Some more of what Paul says:

    Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who submit to or perform homosexual acts, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (I Corinthians 6:9-11)

103 posted on 08/05/2021 7:52:23 PM PDT by boatbums (Lord, make my life a testimony to the value of knowing you.)
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To: Kevmo
The solution is to open these threads under the caucus protection that the religion moderator gives.

Go to the Religion Moderator's home page where "caucus" thread qualifications are defined. You will then understand WHY a thread like this won't hold that designation.

If you don't wish to read other's arguments against a topic's point, simply skip it. Why shouldn't those being maligned or misrepresented not have a chance to voice their viewpoint and join in the discussion?

104 posted on 08/05/2021 8:16:48 PM PDT by boatbums (Lord, make my life a testimony to the value of knowing you.)
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To: boatbums

Because the threads turn into a shiiteshow, that’s why.


105 posted on 08/05/2021 8:28:44 PM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 600 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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To: boatbums

You need to look at the additional hedges available from “Open” threads under the religion topic.


106 posted on 08/05/2021 8:40:22 PM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 600 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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To: smvoice
Doctrines of men...

LoL...
You follow Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, wycliffe, Henry VII and ALL the other MEN and their doctrines as if they all are on the same page.... If any of them survive 2000 years... the One Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church will be 3500 years old.... but I wouldnt hold your breath on that....

OK...SO......if I give you documented evidence of Peter in Rome, evidence of Linus succeeding him as Bishop of Rome- head of the Church as Christ elected him... validating those facts as absolute...

Will you say right now that you will from this point forward- with God as your witness- accept, and no longer deny the Papal Authority and its succession of the earliest Church on planet Earth?
107 posted on 08/05/2021 8:59:47 PM PDT by MurphsLaw (" For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned")
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To: boatbums
"No signed paper can hold the iron.
It must come from men. The words of
Ten Bears carries the same iron of life
and death.

It is good that warriors such
as we meet in the struggle of life... or
death. It shall be life.
So will it be."

108 posted on 08/05/2021 9:08:59 PM PDT by MurphsLaw (" For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned")
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To: MHGinTN

Please explain your understanding of the distinction between the soul and the spirit in their own terms, i.e. prior to being saved in Jesus Christ, and what is the relation between them. How do each relate to our acts of sinning and to the operation of the intellect and will.


109 posted on 08/06/2021 3:54:04 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: MurphsLaw
"Invalidate your non-sequitur word-bomb "reproof"? wouldn't think of it!!"

That is obvious, for I searched the rest of your response for an actual interaction and rebuttal to what I said only to find non-sequitur assertions, as if i actually argued that the church was not necessary, and had not shown you before that SS materially provides for " synods and councils, ministerially to determine controversies of faith, and cases of conscience; to set down rules and directions for the better ordering of the public worship of God," (Westminster Confession XXXI) which you ignore, as is typical, as well as the argument that it is Rome as being the sure and supreme standard that is what is untenable, versus Scriptural authority.

And likewise ignoring the testimony that those who most strongly esteemed as the accurate and wholly inspired word of God, with its basic literal hermeneutic, have long testified to being far more conservative and unified in polled core beliefs and values (thus voting about 80% for Republican Presidential candidates) than Catholics overall, whom Rome manifestly considers to be members, you still resort to invoking the example of those who do not hold to Scripture as being the authority as an argument against doing so!

One thing though about your vain parroted argumentation is that it is an argument against being a Catholic. Your silence would be wise.

110 posted on 08/06/2021 3:59:12 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: Petrosius
What is your point?

That Scriptures says that ALL will be at the GWT judgement.

111 posted on 08/06/2021 4:17:20 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN

Never heard of a dead body doing it either.


112 posted on 08/06/2021 4:18:09 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Seven_0

;^)


113 posted on 08/06/2021 4:18:37 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Cronos
There are multiple other languages you know, besides Angleish

Perhaps; but only the King's English version gets it right.

--KJO_Dude(It was good enough for Paul...)




114 posted on 08/06/2021 4:21:21 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kevmo

You will soon be hearing from someone in the Department of Redundancy Department.


115 posted on 08/06/2021 4:22:32 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Cronos

Call no man father...


116 posted on 08/06/2021 4:23:21 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: smvoice; Mark17
Too many of us are just squawking,
About Jesus we should be talking.
But in the end,
we all seem to tend,
our understandings that we are hawking.


(I need a word that rhymes with Olympics...)

117 posted on 08/06/2021 4:28:17 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: smvoice; Mark17
(I'd better stick with a word that rhymes with games!)
118 posted on 08/06/2021 4:30:52 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Ok
You the man
Great limerick
I’ll be back...!!

Really liked it!


119 posted on 08/06/2021 4:31:53 AM PDT by smvoice (I WILL NOT WEAR THE RIBBON. OR THE MASK)
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To: Kevmo

FreeREpublic - Always the same.
Moderators come,
Moderators go,
Nothing ever happens.


120 posted on 08/06/2021 4:34:39 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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