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To: MHGinTN
Well I'm confused. I see very liitle difference between the way we view God's saving Grace. You do not hold what I perceive as traditional Protestant belief. And you may not want to hear this, but Church teaching has always confirmed "tenses" in our Salvation as well...
In Baptism we have been saved , (Peter, and rebirth of water and spirit)
In ours lives today- We are being saved, (Perfecting our Souls, working out our Salvation, living the Parable of the talents)
and upon our mortal death,
We have the hope that we will be saved, (Glorification) having maintained the state of our Baptismal Grace- having died with Christ and properly endured the sin and  sufferings of mortal life.....

I too can relate to the issue pornography similarly as well. Our culture exploits God's creation in new and abominable ways all the time..and do not dismiss the spirit of the communio you reference. That is the amazing part of family as the dynamic of that Spirit is present in differing forms within the family and is only present that way, and specific only in that family, and can be found nowhere else. And I would also guess that is downfall of someone committed to individualism - lacking in a shared Spirit.
I must ask though.
you saw the sin, and as all of us having proclivities or predispositions....you had to "Do" something to live your Faith abiding in the state of Grace God has given you. You had to "Do" something to avert sinfullness- turning off the teevee to aboif a turning away from God.
Whether you call that a "work" or not - either for yourself - or for the sake of your son's Faith journey-
Werent you heeding St. Paul's warning about losing Salvation?....In that,

......"do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? 
Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex men.... will inherit the kingdom of God.

56 posted on 07/24/2021 11:35:15 PM PDT by MurphsLaw ("He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit")
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To: MurphsLaw
It appears that you still do not comprehend the three tenses of salvation. Jesus went to the cross to take upon Himself the penalty for my sin THAT TAINTED MY SPIRIT as it WAS attached to my soul, my behavior mechanism. When I believed The Promise of God that Jesus is my Savior, the taint of sin was removed from my SPIRIT and the Word of God Believed separated my born again spirit from my behavior mechanism so that The Life of God can ABIDE in my before dead spirit. My soul and spirit are no longer united. When I die or get Raptured it is the flesh -made up of soul and body- which is left behind in the grave or transformed in a moment int he twinkling of an eye.

The sin I have done since being reborn in Him has been a soulish action, not a spiritual action. The second tense is being saved from the power of sin and temptation, as I have gradually :LEARNED to liten to the Holy Spirit in my spirit so that my actions are not directed by the part of me that IS an habitual sinner. No success or failure of that new guidance process effects the first tense. I was saved from the penalty of sin and God's spark of Holy Spirit life has abided in my spirit ever since. I was not saved in or by baptism. I was saved from the penalty of sin by believing in God's Grace in Christ alone. Nothing happening in the second tense of salvation adds or subtracts from what God did in the first tense.

The third tense of my salvation awaits what only God can do when Jesus comes to the first Heaven to gather The Body of Christ to Himself and return to the third Heaven with the Body of Christ Believers transformed int he twinkling of an eye ... ALL the Body of Christ -living or dead- transformed into new bodies and behavior mechanisms.

57 posted on 07/25/2021 7:21:13 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MurphsLaw
When you start your reasoning with the following false premise, the rest of the edifice you build will be scripture insecure: "In Baptism we have been saved"

As a Catholic, you are probably unable to see the flaw int his assertion. And the Catholicism notion that an infant can be saved by infant baptism is proof of confusion. No man such as a Catholic Priest has that god-like power, to save someone because the priest baptized them as an infant.

The ONLY thing God requires for HIM to act on your behalf is that you sincerely believe Jesus is Whom GOD SENT to make Justification possible for you individually. Believe is the ONLY thing God requires for HIM to act on your behalf. To put baptism as the means for salvation is to put action by someone other than God at the heart / start of Justification.

63 posted on 07/25/2021 9:34:24 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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