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To: The Ignorant Fisherman
Note that the Seal and Trumpet Judgments (Rev. 6-9) take place before the reign of the Anti-Christ at the last 42 months of the 7 year tribulation period (Rev. 13).

No they don't. Chapters 11 concludes with same end of the age elements as chapters 20 and 21. Chapter 12 marks the start of coverage of many elements a second time with different perspectives and details. To wit: the seven trumpet judgement (Rev 8:6-11:15) are virtually identical to the seven vial judgements (Rev 15:1-16:17).

The seven seals are broken before Christ who comes on clouds reaps his harvest of believers (Rev 14:14). This corresponds to the great multitude which suddenly appears in heaven (Rev 7:9). The breaking of the seven seals corresponds to an approximate 3.5 year period where the antichrist is revealed and persecutes the saints (believers). This concludes with a great troubling of the saints (great tribulation) and his return on clouds which Jesus describes in Matthew 24:22-30.

The saints will suffer tribulation, even great tribulation. (Be of good cheer, for Jesus has overcome the world.) But the saints will not suffer the seven trumpet/vial judgements which will occur during the 3.5 year period culminating in the marriage supper of the Lamb, the defeat and casting of the beast and his false prophet into the lake of fire (Rev 19:17-21).

We are told by two men in white apparel in Acts 1:10-11 that Jesus would return in "like manner." He departed in clouds. He shall return in clouds. Most so-called "pre-trib" rapture adherents screw with the bible's terminology. The term "tribulation" never refers to a "7 year" period. Christ uses the term tribulation to refer to what the saints will suffer by antichrist and before Christ's return. The bible uses the term "judgement" to refer to what God will do to the unbelieving after Christs return.

28 posted on 06/20/2021 9:23:15 PM PDT by nonsporting (Fraud vitiates everything.)
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To: nonsporting

Yep they do.. 🙂


34 posted on 06/21/2021 7:06:05 AM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: nonsporting

Matthew 24 ans 25 were given to Jewish men asking about their religion’s end times. That is, Jesus spoke of what happens during the Tribulation/Jacob’s Trouble in the end times before He establishes his kingdom and reigns for 1000 years. When you bend scripture given to Jews about the Jewish end times centered on Jerusalem, you misapply the Word. Look instead at John 14, the Upper Room discourse, for the church is not taught by Jesus until John 14. The Olivet Discourse was given earliuer in the passion week than the Upper Room Discourse.


36 posted on 06/21/2021 8:20:12 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: nonsporting
Chapters 11 concludes with same end of the age elements as chapters 20 and 21. Chapter 12 marks the start of coverage of many elements a second time with different perspectives and details.

Chapter 4 is the beginning of the “things which must be here after.” It finishes in chapter 11. There is evidence that some things in chapter 12 have already happened. I suggest that chapters 12-14 happen before chapter 4. This would give two seven-year periods to correspond to the 4 references to three and a half year periods in Revelation 11 and 12. Also the spiritual famine of Amos 8:11 would be preceded by years of plenty. Several other things fit too.
107 posted on 07/06/2021 5:24:27 PM PDT by Seven_0 (You cannot fool all of the people, ever!)
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