I've studied the Eastern Orthodox church. There was much disagreement between the western church and the eastern church-between Augustine and Pelagius. With much respect to our EO friends, I totally disagree with their soteriology. So I'm not sure if quoting an Eastern believer as gospel is a compelling argument.
that Jesus was borne by his creation - Mary was mother i.e. bore her creator. Her son preceded her, her son created her.
The scriptures NEVER talk this way. At best it refers to Christ as the Son of David.
No true Christian would argue that our Lord wasn't fully God and fully man. While I KNOW what YOU are saying, inferring that Jesus "was borne" smacks of cultism. Christ always existed. He is the Creator. No greater statement is given on this than Col 1:15-19.
We weren’t talking about Augustine.
I pointed out that “The idea of Mary being the Mother of God-Jesus is not just a “Catholic idea” - that is the belief of the Assyrian Church (the ancient church of the East), of the Copts, the Ethiopians, the Armenian Church, the Eastern Orthodox etc.”
Do you agree with that? Mary as the mother of God Jesus is not just a “Catholic idea”
Harleyd “The scriptures NEVER talk this way. At best it refers to Christ as the Son of David.”
Huh?
Matthew 14:33
Those who were in the boat did him homage, saying, “Truly, you are the Son of God.”
Matthew 26:.’” 62 The high priest rose and addressed him, “Have you no answer? What are these men testifying against you?” 63 But Jesus was silent.[ah] Then the high priest said to him, “I order you to tell us under oath before the living God whether you are the Messiah, the Son of God.” 64 Jesus said to him in reply, “You have said so.[ai] But I tell you:
From now on you will see ‘the Son of Man
seated at the right hand of the Power’
and ‘coming on the clouds of heaven.’”
65 Then the high priest tore his robes and said, “He has blasphemed![aj] What further need have we of witnesses? You have now heard the blasphemy; 66 what is your opinion?” They said in reply, “He deserves to die!”
Matthew 27:43
He trusted in God; let him deliver him now if he wants him. For he said, ‘I am the Son of God.’”
Matthew 27:54
The centurion and the men with him who were keeping watch over Jesus feared greatly when they saw the earthquake and all that was happening, and they said, “Truly, this was the Son of God!”
Mark 3:11
And whenever unclean spirits saw him they would fall down before him and shout, “You are the Son of God.”
Mark 5:7
crying out in a loud voice, “What have you to do with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God?
Mark 15:39
When the centurion who stood facing him saw how he breathed his last he said, “Truly this man was the Son of God!”
Luke 1:32
He will be great and will be called Son of the Most High
Luke 1:35
And the angel said to her in reply, “The holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God
John 1:34
Now I have seen and testified that he is the Son of God.”
John 3:18
Whoever believes in him will not be condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God
John 19:7
The Jews answered, “We have a law, and according to that law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.”
John 20:31
But these are written that you may [come to] believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that through this belief you may have life in his name
“inferring that Jesus “was borne” smacks of cultism. Christ always existed. He is the Creator.”
But Harley, your soul was created before you were borne. The act of birth is not the same as the point of origin.
Jesus had no origin in space and time as He is and was God.
Mary was the vessel through which He entered the world. She was the entry point through which God started His action in this sphere