If you want to try and help Phil, you might point out to him that the spirit told Peter to take, slay and eat of the previously (before the Cross curse removal) unclean animal species. But I doubt there is anything we could point out to him that he hasn’t reserved his ‘yeahbut’ for.
MHGinTN: If you want to try and help Phil, you might point out to him that the spirit told Peter to take, slay and eat of the previously (before the Cross curse removal) unclean animal species.
Elsie, if you want to help MHG, ask him to re read post 729 and point out that BOTH CLEAN AND UNCLEAN animals were on that sheet and that God certainly DID NOT COMMAND PETER TO SPECIFICALLY EAT ANYTHING UNCLEAN. If Peter’s vision was taken literally, WHICH IT WAS NOT, Peter would have undoubtedly eaten a CLEAN animal from that sheet.
The whole point of the vision was to now show that GENTILES WERE NO LONGER TO BE CONSIDERED COMMON OR UNCLEAN and that the Joooooooooooooooooooooooooos were not unclean by association. The vision had absolutely NOTHING to do with reversing God’s DIETARY LAWS for his people, in commanding them to remain holy, because He is holy.
So, how do I know this? BECAUSE PETER SPECIFICALLY TELLS US IN ACTS 10:
28And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
MHG “might say” Nope, Peter just forgot to also say that you can eat whatever unclean food you now wish so I’m just going to make that part of bible doctrine. I declare it, saith I, MHGinTN. Andy Woods told me so and he’s a prophet.
The 'explanation' would be that it is a parable; much like the seeds and sower one.
36 Then he left the crowd and went into the house. His disciples came to him and said, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field.”
37 He answered, “The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the people of the kingdom. The weeds are the people of the evil one, 39 and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.
40 “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears, let them hear.
Elsie, please also point out to MGHinTN (if you want to help him) that 1 Peter 1:16 SPECIFICALLY refers to Leviticus 11:44 and the DIETARY LAWS (I’m reading from a standard KJV bible, self-pronouncing reference edition...references are centered in the pages).
15But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
16Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
43Ye shall not make yourselves abominable with any creeping thing that creepeth, neither shall ye make yourselves unclean with them, that ye should be defiled thereby.
Leviticus 11:44For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
45For I am the LORD that bringeth you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: ye shall therefore be holy, for I am holy.
46This is the law of the beasts, and of the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth:
47To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten.
Also, please let MHG know that THIS is a common theme throughout the Old and New testaments:
Lev 10:10And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean;
Deut 14:2For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.
3Thou shalt not eat any abominable thing.
So, it sure does sound like Peter is saying to MHGinTN....What chu talkin bout, Willis?
14. Obedient children. Literally, “as children of obedience,” with the emphasis here on “obedience” (see on v. 2). Compare “children of wrath” (Eph. 2:3), “children of light” (Eph. 5:8), and similar expressions (Eph. 2:2; 5:6; Col. 3:6; 1 Thess. 5:5). For comment on “children” (Gr. tekna) see on 1 John 3:1.
Fashioning. Gr. suschēmatizō (see on Rom. 12:2).
Lusts. See on Rom. 7:7; cf. on Matt. 5:28.
Ignorance. That is, the self-centered, world-loving experience of a man before his conversion, when he knows not God and His law, or Christ and His sacrifice (see on Acts 3:17; 17:30; Eph. 4:18). Newly converted Christians must have often been faced with the temptation to return to their old licentious ways of living. Peter acknowledges the force of the temptation, but strengthens his readers against its lure. 15.
But. Gr. alla, a strong adversative that contrasts the “former lusts” with the holy life required of Christians.
Called. See on Rom. 8:28, 30; 1 Cor. 1:9.
Holy. Gr. hagios (see on Rom. 1:7). The first clause of this verse may be paraphrased, “But contrarily, in harmony with that Holy One who called you.” God is absolutely holy; no sin or defilement can exist in His presence (cf. Lev. 11:44; 19:2; 20:7).
Be ye holy. That is, for your part be ye holy once for all. The earnest Christian decisively settles his standard of conduct; no future unholiness is contemplated. Man was made in the image of God (Gen. 1:26, 27) but lost the likeness through sin. The purpose of the gospel is to restore the divine image in man, that he may be holy as his Creator is holy.
Conversation. Gr. anastrophē, “conduct” (see on Eph. 4:22). Note the comprehensive nature of the standard held before the Christian—he is to be holy in all his conduct; every aspect of his life must be sanctified (cf. 1 Thess. 5:23). 16.
It is written. The ultimate authority to which the NT writers uniformly appeal is the OT (cf. on Matt. 2:5; Acts 2:16; Rom. 1:17; etc.).
Be ye holy. Quoted from Lev. 11:44; 19:2; 20:7. Textual evidence is here divided (cf. p. 10) between the use of the imperative “be ye” and the future “ye shall be,” but the intent is the same in that Peter is calling all Christians to holy living.