The Romans Road {leading to the salvation of the soul}

[Responsibility2nd]

Christ had not yet died for the sins of the world. Being baptized was not an option for the thief, nor for all the godly believers before the cross. But after Christ died for our sins, the need to be baptized began.

More here.

http://executableoutlines.com/ba/ba_05.htm

[Responsibility2nd]

Of course salvation is conditional. You either except God’s grace or you don’t. You either believe or you don’t. You and I might disagree on the basic fundamental doctrine that baptism is necessary. But you cannot argue that salvation is unconditional.

[metmom]

You presume too much.

I am not hostile to His commandment.

If baptism saves, then why didn’t Paul preach that as well? Have you read 1 Corinthians 1:17 where Paul says, “For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, and not with words of eloquent wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.”?

If baptism was necessary for salvation, then why would Christ have not sent Paul to baptize as well as preach?

[MHGinTN]

Do you not see that you have conflated the spiritual, believe with your will, and a physical deed? You are deceived.

[metmom]

Eph 2:8-9 says that salvation is by grace through faith. It does NOT say *by grace through faith and baptism.

Neither did the Council at Jerusalem in Acts 15 add that to the requirements the Holy Spirit laid down for Gentile believers.

[.30Carbine]

Amen!

[.30Carbine]

{1} Everyone Needs Salvation --Romans 3:23 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."

{2} Jesus Died For Our Salvation -- Romans 5:8 "God demonstrates His love towards us, in that, while we were sinners, Christ died for us."

{3} Salvation Is A Gift -- Romans 6:23 "The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."

{4} We Are Saved By Grace -- Romans 11:6 "and if by grace, then it is no longer of works: otherwise grace is no longer grace.

{5} Salvation Comes Through Faith -- Romans 4:5 "To him who ... believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness."

{6} God Saves All Who Call Upon Him -- Romans 10:13 "whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved."

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Thank you so much for this thread with its clear and simple message of salvation.

[ShadowAce]

Being baptized was not an option for the thief, nor for all the godly believers before the cross.

So Christ being baptized by John the Baptist was what, exactly? Not an option?

[MHGinTN]

Jesus on the Cross is the ultimate physical act for our salvation. When you add ANY physical act to that ultimae you detract from the ultimate physical act. To have that physical act counted on your behalf the Word of God tells us to believe, not to get busy doing a sacramental trail or getting dunked or abide by a ritual or even keep the law ... we must believe in our heart and GOD does the rest. In that way it is God Who is due the glory, not you in any way.

That said, the born again believer is admonished to undergo sanctification once justification BY GOD has happened. The first step in that sanctification process ought to be submitting for baptism, to show outwardly that the inwardly has happened and your will intention to be counted in His family. First born again, then the sanctification process which will exhibit behavior changes, such as submitting for baptism.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***Christ had not yet died for the sins of the world.***

Revelation 13:8
“...Lamb, slain from the foundation of the world.”

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***Of course salvation is conditional.***

Are you saying that Christ only made a down payment on salvation and WE now have to earn the rest?

I lived in a “WORKS” church and was miserable that no matter how hard we tried we never knew if we had “Done enough” to merit Salvation.
Then I learned this and the shackles of LEGALISM were broken off forty six years ago. I never looked back!

Ephesians 2
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

This also has the real meaning of being “baptized into Christ”, “being baptized into his death” “being crucified with Christ” which is not with water.

There are other verses meaning baptism into water.

“I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; 15Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. 16And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

17For Christ sent me NOT to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

If we look at verse 17 in YOUR way then Paul was not sent to save anyone.

[Responsibility2nd]

Any physical act?

You mean like confessing with your mouth that Jesus is Lord?

Are you trying to tell me that is NOT necessary to be saved?

God’s Grace is free. But if you don’t accept it - you are lost.

[Responsibility2nd]

You presume too much.

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I guess that’s true. I presumed you are a Christian. But if you haven’t even been forgiven of your sins - then you are lost.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***You mean like confessing with your mouth that Jesus is Lord?**

I remember one “preacher” who was hung up on this (confessing with your mouth) till it was pointed out to him that mute people cannot speak with their mouth.

So how could they be saved?

[Responsibility2nd]

Eph 2:8-9 says that salvation is by grace through faith. It does NOT say *by grace through faith and baptism.

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Yeah? Nor does this verse say anything about praying “The Believers Prayer”.

Quit cherry picking verses to justify your unbelief.

Hear.
Believe.
Repent.
Confess.
Be baptized.
Live as Christ commanded us. In Love.

[Responsibility2nd]

Why was Jesus baptized?

http://executableoutlines.com/mark/mk1_9.htm?links=false

[Responsibility2nd]

Are you saying that Christ only made a down payment on salvation and WE now have to earn the rest?

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Nope. Not what I said.

I said WE have to accept it.

Here is more info on Paul being sent to preach.

https://executableoutlines.com/ba/ba_07.htm

People make a mistake to twist the passage in I Cor. Chapter I into claiming baptism is not necessary.

[Responsibility2nd]

So how could they be saved?

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Foolish people get hung up on silly “what ifs”

What if you’re 98 years old and minutes away from death. Yet you realize the need to be saved. Yet baptism is not an option. Are you saved?

That, of course, is up to God to decide.

God has given us a clear path to salvation. Follow it.

[ShadowAce]

I agree that He was being baptized as an example.

What about the other people being baptized by John?

Were those not options, either?

[Mr Rogers]

“It’s also understood that baptism is necessary unto salvation.”

Baptism of the Holy Spirit in response to saving faith is a requirement, but it is also automatic in following saving faith. Water baptism is a visible demonstration of the Gospel, but is not the Gospel itself.

“We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin.”

We don’t hang on a cross for salvation either. We are united with Christ by faith. And IF we have been united with Christ, then we WILL live a changed life.