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[frogjerk]

But don’t complain when it doesn’t work.

Prayer always works. I don't think you understand prayer

[Jamestown1630]

I didn’t say that prayer doesn’t ‘work’. But Jesus told us the way to pray. He included the very important ‘Believe that you have received it’.

That’s a very hard thing to accomplish, when most people pray by just begging, asking, pleading - and when the prayer isn’t answered, they say it is simply ‘God’s Will’ to NOT answer their prayer.

[Jamestown1630]

I think I got ‘into’ this largely because someone suggested that we were founded as a ‘Christian Nation’.

We are a nation begun by people who came from a culture infused with Christian ideals; but, save the reference to a Creator God, the Founders left out of the governing documents references to any particular religion. They even included specific language in the Bill of Rights precluding the establishment of a State religion.

(And if they had allowed it, exactly which flavor of Christianity would they have chosen? Christianity isn’t ‘A Religion’ - it’s a philosophy, a set of Ideals and teachings which many people believe in very differently than others do. Just look at the virtual tooth-and-nail squabbles between Christian sects that take place right here on FR, to see what a mess that would have been - and it has ever been thus.)

But they didn’t designate us a ‘Christian Nation’.

They could have outlawed slavery, too - it was completely incongruent with both the principles of our Founding documents as well as with the spirit of Christianity.

After the revolution, esteem for General Washington was so great that he could well have retained a level of authority and even dictatorial powers - but he ceded it all back.

They didn’t do any of these things, because to do so would not be consistent with the sort of Republic that they were hoping to create.

You can say that we are a nation created by men inspired by Christian ideals; but not that we are a ‘Christian Nation’.

(Even in revolutionary days there were thousands of Jews here. Some of them helped to finance the cause, served as blockade runners, or were on the battlefield. And the Founders were brilliant and very forward-thinking people. I don’t think they believed for a moment that if their experiment was successful, people would not come from all over the world and from many religious backgrounds to become part of it.)

[caww]

Well without the Jews there wouldn't be Christians for obvious reasons....so there is that.....But I do not see Christianity as simply ‘ideals’ or a philosophy, I doubt very much if the people of that era did either. Rather it's based and focused on the person of Jesus Christ and central to all Christianity.

[Jamestown1630]

A lot of people don't exactly see it that way - they see the teachings, but don't see the Man himself as God - except insofar as He also told us, referencing Psalms, 'Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?'

(But I guess that lot are not 'Christians'.)

[ZULU]

????? Bullcrap.

Bergoglio must have engineered this poll

[caww]

As to your Psalms reference...in the context Jesus was using it to defend his claim that he is the Son of God.

[Jamestown1630]

Yes. But the reference didn’t just refer to Him. It was written long before and addressed different and numerous people. Jesus was defending his speech by saying that He, among others in history, had the authority of ‘gods’, from God himself.

[Olog-hai]

What does your rant have to do with the thread?

[Jamestown1630]

Threads meander. It was a response to something that had been addressed to me, which I found deserved an answer.