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To: Persevero
Disagree scripture makes the trinity clear. To assume that the early church was in the dark is an assumption.

Scripture does not make the trinity clear. Reading scripture with the supposition that there is a trinity reinforces erroneous ideas but that's not the same thing.

Again the modern trinity theory wasn't officially recognized as "truth" until over 300 years AFTER the death of Christ. This should make it evident that it's explicitly not clear in scripture. The test is what did Jesus believe?

Joh 10:30  I and My Father are one."

He doesn't say "I and my father and the holy spirit are one". Never.

What did Paul believe? In virtually every one of his epistles Paul sends a greeting similar to this:

Gal 1:3  Grace to you and peace from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ, 

Never a greeting from the holy spirit....which if it IS a separate God and part of a trinity would be a horrendous slight.

34 posted on 02/26/2021 6:13:58 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

You have to consider all of scripture. If those were the only references I’d think you have a point.

But from genesis 1 on we see the trinity. The Father is God. The Son is God. The Holy Spirit is God. Yet there is only one God. The trinity is the word we use to express this rather than using 20 words, that’s all.


43 posted on 02/26/2021 8:58:32 AM PST by Persevero (I am afraid propriety has been set at naught. - Jane Austen )
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To: DouglasKC; Persevero

Again the modern trinity theory wasn’t officially recognized as “truth” until over 300 years AFTER the death of Christ.

I guess you’re referring to the Council of Nicaea. That was about the relationship between the Father and Christ. It had nothing to do with the Holy Spirit. So by your logic we can’t accept the unity of the Father and Christ.


83 posted on 02/26/2021 8:44:44 PM PST by lasereye
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To: DouglasKC; Persevero

Paul indicates the Holy spirit is God

1 Corinthians 6:19
Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God?

2 Corinthians 13:14
May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.


98 posted on 02/27/2021 8:19:19 AM PST by Cronos
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In the Ethiopian Oriental Orthodox church view of the Sabbath is that it should be observed on both Saturday (the Lesser Sabbath) and Sunday (the Great Sabbath): Saturday for the original Sabbath of the Old Testament and Sunday in honour of the resurrection of Christ in the New. He found support for his views in the Ten Commandments and the Canons of the Apostles.


99 posted on 02/27/2021 8:28:16 AM PST by Cronos
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In Christ’s Passover Domenica fulfills the spiritual truth of the Jewish sabbath and announces man’s eternal rest in God. For worship under the Law prepared for the mystery of Christ, and what was done there prefigured some aspects of Christ

The Sabbath was never changed from Saturday to Sunday by Constantine, the Roman Order, or Christians.

Far before Constantine, it was already common Christian practice to come together on Sunday; however, the intent there was never to supplement Sunday for the Sabbath. Early Christians recognized that the Sabbath day along with all OT Law was not applicable to them.

Listen to what I’m saying. The OT Law was never abolished, nor are Christians bound by it. We have something greater than the Law. Christians have what the Law could not achieve.

It wasn’t until the crucifixion that the new covenant took effect. Thus, while Jesus walked this earth the old covenant was still in force.

“For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctify for the purification of the flesh, how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.

Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.

For where a will is involved, the death of the one who made it must be established. For a will takes effect only at death, since it is not in force as long as the one who made it is alive. Therefore not even the first covenant was inaugurated without blood.” (Hebrews 9.13–17)​

Paul very much distinguishes between the “ministry of death, carved in letters on stone,” as that which once had glory, and the “ministry of the Spirit,” which surpasses it in glory (2 Corinthians 3). His point being that while Christians are not bound by the letter of the law, God has written on their hearts. The Spirit will guide, and restrain. They will no longer do what is “required” of them, but will live in accordance with their new nature.


100 posted on 02/27/2021 8:36:26 AM PST by Cronos
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