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Can we not obtain salvation without the eating of the son of God? Maybe this belief to do so ensures the "remembrance of him"...
1 posted on 02/13/2021 8:18:22 AM PST by HypatiaTaught
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To: HypatiaTaught

If that actually is the body and blood of Christ through transubstantiation (which it isn’t), why do Roman Catholics feel they need to re-sacrifice Christ thousands of times every day at each mass conducted around the world?


87 posted on 02/13/2021 9:49:51 AM PST by Old Yeller (Nana Pelosi is a manure salesman with a mouthful of samples. Thus the slurred speaking.)
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I am a very logical person, but this concept of consuming the flesh of God's son to obtain salvation simply doesn't make sense.

Logic vs Faith.

You cannot apply logic when you consider whether YOU BELIEVE in GOD.

You either believe or you don't.

Logic is for math.

89 posted on 02/13/2021 9:52:17 AM PST by USS Alaska (NUKE ALL MOOSELIMB TERRORISTS, NOW.)
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Jesus is the bread of life, He is also the living water.
Go to Him and you will never hunger or thirst.
“Do this in remembrance of me”.
Drinking water in those days was risky, they tended to drink wine with their meals.
Never have I read, nor can infer that partaking in the Lords Supper, is a requirement for salvation.


91 posted on 02/13/2021 9:58:39 AM PST by vpintheak (Live free, or die!)
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This is interesting, as a simple google search of this question is answered well on many levels.

I think you want an answer to a question that you did not ask...to the question you asked, the answer is right in the question - Christ said one must eat/gnaw and drink to have eternal life - we eat and drink to have eternal life because Christ commands this. He did this in Both Covenants - if you do not eat the Paschal/Passover Saving Lamb you will die and not have life - so the Lord says in Moses and the New Moses/Christ.

Why has the All-Wise and Living God done it this way, is this the question? Or why and how does eating and drinking bring eternal life - is this your real query, or another?? The answer is simple, the Lord has Written and Spoken and Incarnated Him and this throughout His Sacred Scriptures from Genesis to Revelation! If this is the question, or another, - please share and one can answer it.

Always though, first and fundamental, is man obeys the Wisdom of what the Lord Wills and Directs: man, male and female, eats and drinks the Father’s Will no matter the cost to avoid the forbidden fruit of the sin, of doing his own will. Jesus only eats and drinks the Father’s Will, the Food and Drink He witnessed to the Apostles at the Well with the Samaritan Woman and 3 times in His Agony of the Garden. When we worthily without the leprosy of sin, eat and drink Christ, sacramentally not cannibally, we enter most fully into the Saving Paschal Lamb’s and Head’s ‘Loving Obedience in not refusing but embracing the Father’s Saving Will and Love by which we are reconciled to the Father into Paschal Covenant Life and Love - we become and are ‘in and one with Jesus’ own Loving Obedience unto death’ so that we are raised up into Life, and by this continuously eating and drinking of Christ’s Forever ‘YES’ of Loving Obedience in Holy Communion, we are nourished and strengthened to faithfully love one another as He Loved us and walk in the Way of True Loving Obedience that leads to the Glory of Eternal Life...blessings and mercies


95 posted on 02/13/2021 10:10:17 AM PST by Padre Pietro
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It becomes part of the believer


103 posted on 02/13/2021 10:34:10 AM PST by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory. )
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The Sacrament is a mystery. “Lord I believe, help Thou my unbelief.”


104 posted on 02/13/2021 10:47:24 AM PST by Marchmain (i vote pro-life)
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Read John 6. Then read it again. And again. And again. And ...
Until you comprehend the words from the Word Incarnate.


106 posted on 02/13/2021 12:07:48 PM PST by Montana_Sam (Truth lives.)
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To: HypatiaTaught; ConservativeMind; ealgeone; Mark17; fishtank; boatbums; Luircin; mitch5501; MamaB; ..
Can we not obtain salvation without the eating of the son of God? Maybe this belief to do so ensures the "remembrance of him"...

Certainly, and which is confirmed in the rest of Scripture, in which nowhere is spiritual life obtained by literally consuming anything physical.

And instead, spiritual life is obtained by believing the gospel message, by believing in the person of Christ - as is esp. affirmed by John - while believers "live by" Christ the same way Christ lived by the Father. For His words they "are spirit and are life." (Jn. 6:63)

As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. (John 6:57) Which was by every word that come from God (Mt. 4:4) and thus doing His will was the Lord's "meat." (Jn. 4:34)

For it is by believing the gospel that souls are regenerated, (Acts 15:7-9; Eph. 1:13) and it is the word of God that is described as spiritual food, by which believers are nourished (1Tim. 4:6) and built up (Acts 20:32) by the hearing of it. Thus the preaching of the word, which is called "milk" (1Cor. 3:2; 1Pt. 1:22) and "meat" (Heb. 5:12,14) to feed the flock (Acts 20:28) is the primary active function of pastors. (2Tim. 4:2)

Nowhere in Acts through Revelation, which best shows how the NT church understood the gospels, is the Lord's supper set forth as means of obtaining spiritual life, nor is conducting it shown or taught as being a unique function of pastors, let alone a separate class of sacerdotal Catholic priests, offering up the "Mass" as a sacrifice for sins.

Read my page here The Lord's Supper: metaphorical commemoration or the consumption of the metaphysical "real" body and blood of the Lord Jesus? which, by the grace of God, deals extensively with what the Catholic church teaches versus what the NT church believed.

118 posted on 02/13/2021 4:28:03 PM PST by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned + destitute sinner + trust Him to save + be baptized+follow Him!)
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Absolutely.

It’s faith that saves.

In John 6:63, Jesus says that the flesh profits nothing, it’s the Spirit who gives life. The words that He spoke in the dissertation were spiritual truths, not literal, physical actions.

Besides, God, since the beginning of time, has forbidden the consumption of blood. To claim that you have to literally eat and drink Jesus’ physical flesh and blood is to deny and violate what God has ordained.


129 posted on 02/13/2021 6:24:38 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.

60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?


134 posted on 02/13/2021 6:46:07 PM PST by narses (Censeo praedatorium gregem esse delendum. (The gay lobby must be destroyed))
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I pray that those who are misled will be shown the Truth. I’ll leave it at that.


145 posted on 02/13/2021 8:51:49 PM PST by patriot torch (Ashlie Babbitt-say her name)
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My question since the age of eight and remains 50 years later, why do we have the belief of actually having to eat the body of Jesus Christ?

Why, at the age eight, did you not ask your Mom? After all, according to your "story", "Mom actually taught Catechism to the community and was a very loving soul".

149 posted on 02/13/2021 10:00:22 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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Christ is alive, for all time. His body is not in this material plane at this time; it is beyond our understanding. But taking the wafer and wine signifies to Him that you are willing to obey the request He made of us at the last supper—on faith. And because He said He would be present in the taking of it, we believe it on faith. The heavenly realms are beyond human logic. Trust God.
Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that He should lie, nor a son of man, that He should repent; has He said, and will He not do it? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?

Isaiah 55:8 “For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways,” declares the LORD.

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.


155 posted on 02/14/2021 7:11:36 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Laughter separates us from despair and gives us a chance at love. --Craig Ferguson)
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This isn't the “central belief in the Christian faith”. The central belief of the Christian faith is whether you truly believe you are a sinner before God and that you've placed your faith in Christ to atoned for your sins as a substitution for you so that you might be reconciled to God.

There is nothing in a wafer and an ounce of wine that will save you.

204 posted on 02/16/2021 8:59:32 AM PST by HarleyD
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"HypatiaTaught" is your name? Hmmmm. Apparently, your Catholic upbringing didn't stick or was only ephemeral...

"Martyrs Neither Ignoble Nor Few" ~ The death of Hypatia and mob violence against Christians during the reign of Julian the Apostate
205 posted on 02/16/2021 9:00:58 AM PST by Antoninus (Republicans are all honorable men.)
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The eating of the Feast is every bit as integral to the Sacrifice of the Lamb as the shedding of His Blood.


226 posted on 03/06/2021 4:34:53 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew (No audit. No peace.)
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