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To: HKMk23
The redeemed are
seven lamps of fire burning Rev 4;5

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111 posted on 12/20/2020 12:08:51 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Uri’el-2012

Okay, now I feel like you’re just trolling me. John makes really clear what those 7 burning lamps are, and they ain’t us.

From the throne came out flashes of lightning and roaring and crashes of thunder. Seven flaming torches, WHICH ARE THE SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD, were burning in front of the throne
Revelation 4:5 NET
https://bible.com/bible/107/rev.4.5.NET

These burning torches are decidedly NOT to be interchangeable with the Seven Lampstands of Revelation 1; John clearly records Jesus telling him they are the Seven Churches, to whom he would subsequently write.

I completely get this impulse to connect the dots, but when John clearly says this is one thing and that’s another, those are two dots that we are NOT to connect; and I mean like, flashing lights and sirens, all-caps DO NOT.


112 posted on 12/20/2020 2:35:57 PM PST by HKMk23 (You ask how to fight an idea? Well, I'll tell you how: with another idea!)
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To: Uri’el-2012

I should add that “the Seven Spirits of God” is sometimes rendered “the Sevenfold Spirit of God” in recognition that there is but One Holy Spirit.

As the symbolism isn’t further explained by John, there is discussion of the Sevenfold Ministry of The Holy Spirit, and there is talk about “Spirits” not refering to any personage, but to essential attributes. Much as we would say someone is of a pleasant spirit, maeaning that their essential nature was to be pleasant. Terse as it is, we take the text as written, and repeat it verbatim when asked. All the rest must remain in the realm of conjectures about the deeper details we haven’t been told.


113 posted on 12/21/2020 12:07:42 PM PST by HKMk23 (You ask how to fight an idea? Well, I'll tell you how: with another idea!)
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