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To: Uri’el-2012

Yes. Thank you.

Bullinger’s thorough investigation leads to the same result cited in the footnotes to the New English Translation, which I previously cited.

“Thus the ancient and true reading takes away all ground for making these elders redeemed men, and leaves them the angelic leaders of the heavenly worship.”

I do wish John had been more verbose at a few points, and saying who these Elders are would be one. As it is, it seems he didn’t know, wasn’t told, and didn’t pursue the matter.


106 posted on 12/19/2020 8:29:48 PM PST by HKMk23 (You ask how to fight an idea? Well, I'll tell you how: with another idea!)
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To: HKMk23
Rev 5:

8 Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9 And they sang a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll,
And to open its seals;
For You were slain,
And have redeemed us to God by Your blood
Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, 10 And have made us kings and priests to our God

Your quote is faslse. The foru and twenty elders represent The Redeemed, according to the Word of God given to Jon.; And we shall reign on the earth.”

And from Rev : 1 we read the following ... see if it sounds familiar since you just read Rev5:

To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, 6 and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

107 posted on 12/19/2020 9:28:22 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: HKMk23
The Word of God refutes this lie: "Thus the ancient and true reading takes away all ground for making these elders redeemed men, and leaves them the angelic leaders of the heavenly worship.”

Unless you believe the elders are lying in Heaven, they tell you THEY ARE THE Redeemed men who I might add have already been before the Bema Judgment Seat for their crowns which they cast at the feet of the Redeemer.

108 posted on 12/19/2020 9:31:55 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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