Then you give a link to a poll site about what people respond to polls -- I'm guess you also believe that Biden will defeat Trump because the polls say so?
The fact is that you, daniel, roundly disagree with the Lutherans on core doctrine:
And that's just with the Lutherans.
Next, let's compare you, Daniel, and your beliefs with the Oneness Pentecostals -- Oneness theology specifically maintains that God is absolutely and indivisibly one. Oneness Pentecostals believe that Trinitarian doctrine is a "tradition of men" and neither scriptural nor a teaching of God, and cite the absence of the word "Trinity" from the Bible as one evidence of this. -- Do you believe that? If not, that's a core difference in fundamentals
Next, with Adventists -- the Adventists state that
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Those are just three cases of fundamental, core differences between just your own unique beliefs and other groups outside orthodoxy.
These are differences in fundamentals, not just in externals or in non-core beliefs.
"Woah? Whoa, you jut missed the point (again) which is that arguing again this big tent (which is based upon how Catholics class Protestantism) is invalid since no one here is defending that.
Then you give a link to a poll site about what people respond to polls -- I'm guess you also believe that Biden will defeat Trump because the polls say so?
A congregate of surveys on what people believe overall are accurate in showing what people profess, or are willing to, and are employed by Catholics as well (some even being commissioned by the same) while the results in last election revealed both media bias as well as indicating that those who respond to political polls may be more liberal.
Of course, when conservative Catholics see anything from evangelicals that impugns their church then they want to deny it, however not only are the sources for the surveys on my poll from numerous researchers, but they show an overall consensus. And Catholics themselves cite them as reliable. Thus by impugning the accuracy of these then you manifest more disagreement among Catholics, which actually testifies to the reliability of polls showing just that! And which is what my documentation of beliefs of Catholics vs. evangelicals was in regard to, the premise that Catholics are more unified than those who most strongly esteem Scripture as the wholly reliable, wholly God-inspired authoritative word of God.
The fact is that you, daniel, roundly disagree with the Lutherans on core doctrine:
I hope so, but so what? My comparison was btwn evangelicals and Catholics, and many or most Lutherans are liberal. Regardless, while the Lutheran Church–Missouri Synod and much smaller the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod are overall conservative, yet I never inferred or claimed that most evangelicals professed unity on all doctrines, but that "Catholics overall testify to far less unified in polled core beliefs than those who most strongly esteem Scripture as the accurate and wholly inspired word of God."
And the so-called Evangelical Lutheran Church in America is the largest Lutheran church body in the United States, and only 58% of 35,556 ELCA adherents polled professed that the Bible overall is the "word of God" while 32% actually denied that it is, while only about half pray daily, and just 42% profess they mostly look to religious teachings on questions of right and wrong, and and are not likely to subscribe to a doctrine of Biblical inerrancy, and allows for LGBTQ+ marriage and ordination of LGBTQ+ clergy, in contrast to the LCMS and WELS [minority], which practice the historical-grammatical method of biblical interpretation. And an older study found that 73% (highest) of Pentecostal/Foursquare believers strongly affirm that Christ was sinless on earth, with Catholics, Lutherans and Methodists being tied at 33%, and the lowest being among Episcopalians with just 28%. (http://www.barna.org/barna-update/article/5-barna-update/53)
The Lutherans strongly believe in the True presence of Christ in the Eucharist -- your beliefs deny that.
And which Lutheran concept your own church disagrees with, while surveys report that only around a third to abut half of Catholics profess agreement with their church that the Eucharist is the body, blood of Christ.
Thus you have not impugned my claim to greater unity among classic evangelicals, and actually lost yardage in arguing for greater unity in Romanism. And note that you cannot excommunicate liberals whom Rome manifestly considers to be members in life and in death. They are your brethren, and you must own them.
Lutherans teach baptism to be necessary —but not absolutely necessary—to salvation. you don't, right?
You must know that your own church does not believe that the act of baptism (ex opere operato) is absolutely necessary to salvation (baptism of desire - Baptismus flaminis sive Spiritus Sancti - associated with "perfect contrition" works ex opere operantis), while I believe that heart-purifying faith (Acts 10:43; 15:7-9) which effects obedience (by the Spirit) to the Lord is necessary for salvation, faith and obedience (given grace and opportunity) being inseparable, including repentance when convicted of failure in that. But not that the act itself of baptism effects regeneration.
But regardless, my argument was and is that of greater - not comprehensive - unity among evangelicals vs. Catholics.
The Lutherans have the sacrament of Penance in which one receives private absolution from the pastor. You reject that, don't you?
See here, but this red herring warrants that the same response as to your previous all-or-nothing ones. It remains that "Catholics overall testify to far less unified in polled core beliefs than those who most strongly esteem Scripture as the accurate and wholly inspired word of God."
Next, let's compare you, Daniel, and your beliefs with the Oneness Pentecostals
Same applies, while I would vote for one of the latter versus one of your Catholic Ted Kennedy Catholics you would have us be brethren with. If you do not acknowledge them as such then you are not following your leadership.
These are differences in fundamentals, not just in externals or in non-core beliefs.
And again, this is not contrary to my statement, and Catholics whom Rome manifestly considers to be members also express differences in fundamentals, and thus again my statement remains valid while your attempt to counter it is spurious.