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Evangelical Exodus: Evangelical Seminarians and Their Paths to Rome
The Gospel coalition ^ | August | K. SCOTT OLIPHINT

Posted on 09/18/2020 6:15:39 AM PDT by Cronos

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To: Cronos; MHGinTN; boatbums; metmom; Mark17; Elsie; ealgeone; aMorePerfectUnion; daniel1212; ...
of course, Aquinas was fallible. However Christ left an infallible community - the Church.

His infallible Church is in Heaven, and is comprised only of regenerated genuine believers whom The Father has made accepted in The Beloved Son. That is the (spiritual) Kingdom of God.

Om earth there is no single visible "Church" (proper noun) of which He is the Head, and through which He manifests Himself, to the exclusion of other groups assembled in His Name. But there are many thousands of local independent churches comprised of both genuine believers recognized as such by the God-head and in whom the Holy Spirit lives, as well as unregenerated "belivers" who profess loyalty to Christ Jesus, but who as yet have failed completely and put their trust in Him, and thus have not received the gift of salvation. This fallible impure collection of earthly tem[poral assemblies constitute the Kingdom of Heaven (spoken of only in the Gospel of Matthew).

There have been many humanistic attempts to institute a supra-church organization of administrators determined to gain ascendence over the local assemblies of churches and make them no longer independent nor autonomous for the purpos of concentrating political power, but they have all failed and become so depraved that they cannot please the God-head.

The only earthly assembly of believers through which Jesus Christ manifests His Headship and guidance in the Spirit is the local independent autonomous regularly meeting chapter of accountable individuals professing loyalty to, and sole ownership by, the Jesus of Nazareth the Christ of God; inducted into as a disciple by a profession of faith followed by voluntary whole-body immersion in water administered by an authorized agent of the God-head; a meeting characterized by congregating for the purposes of participation in the Remembrance Supper that rehearses the manner of Jesus' cross-death, and for learning how to keep Jesus' commandments watchfully secure by incorporating them in one's thought abd actions; and under the local government of a plurality of spiritually mature fellow-believers who have demonstrated that they have overcome the wicked one, Satan, in their deportment.

The only supra-church authority is the Lord Jesus Christ Himself, the only Head of His local assembled body of believers; not an intervening system of officials inserting themselves between God and the common non-clergy individuals.

I do not believe that anyone clinging to the Calvinistic teachings of double predestination can ever be saved as they reject God’s word

Regarding Jean Calvin the lawyer and the logic-based "ism" named for his theology, truly much of it is as legalistic as Romanism, each for different reasons. The only non-legalistic theology is that offered by assemblies that meet and conduct themselves according to the principles that the church assemblies followed as recorded in the New Testament Scriptures, each local assembly being responsible for its behavior to God alone, as trained by the Apostles who were themselves trained by God-Manifest-In-The-Flesh Jesus. That special delegated commission was not passed on to their followers, the ones who had not been in fellowship and appointed by the Only Infallible Pastor/Rabbi/Master.

Many thousands of such independent stand-alone assemblies have existed since their innovation at Jerusalem in the prototype assembly on the day of Pentecost of 33 Anno Domini. The Jerusalem church of disciples itself became patently fallible, impure, as have all its imitative successors. The same is true of all the disciplers following the original Apostles. Thus the visible churches have kept to Christ's standard only by accepting His Word alone as their uncontested Authority, and not resorting to the filtering of it through the Apostolic (fallible) Fathers and the other (fallible, some very much so) Patristics.

The Holy Scriptures alone are the perfect model, of which the Personification of them is The Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, upon Which and Whom we can rely trust for salvation, justification, progressive sanctification (=discipleship), and final glorification of the regenerated believer.

The conduct and resultant outcomes of the Romanist system definitely show that it cannot achieve what it has promised, but in fact historically has fallen far short in doing what it ought to do, and what the widespread truly Christian independent autonomous churches really have done in advancing God's estate on earth. Of late, the decline of Romanistic practices has been abysmal, including the wallowing in sinful activity at the highest reaches of its leadership, We need not say more.

81 posted on 09/25/2020 11:08:03 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Cronos

All grace is free. that’s what makes it grace.

If it weren’t free, it wouldn’t be grace, but rather wages due for work performed.

This article proves nothing but that the author doesn’t even understand what grace is.


82 posted on 09/25/2020 1:42:24 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Mark17
...I met some other Air Force guys, who were totally clean livers.

PffT!

That's nothing!

In my outfit we had some sterilized gall bladders and one or two recently washed kidneys!

83 posted on 09/25/2020 7:01:29 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Cronos
And to be precise - the bulk of Christianity rejects your 19th century pre-Trib rapture faux belief.

I wonder what % of Christianity rejects Rome's Sinless Mary: Ever Virgin creation?

84 posted on 09/25/2020 7:06:56 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Cronos
However Christ left an infallible community - the Church.

And there are seven perfect examples of them in the first three chapters of Revelation.

85 posted on 09/25/2020 7:08:37 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Don’t fall for the purposed conflation of the Catholic ORG with the one true Church Jesus began that fateful Day of Pentecost when Peter preached under inspiration of the Holy Spirit. All the redeemed are part of the one true Church. The Catholic oRG? Not so much.


86 posted on 09/25/2020 7:58:14 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Elsie; MHGinTN
I wonder what % of Christianity rejects Rome's Sinless Mary: Ever Virgin creation?

A whole bunch reject it. I certainly do. 👍🤗 Just my opinion, but I think it’s possible, that Mary, didn’t believe in Jesus, to the saving of the soul, till her kids did, like after the resurrection. Then, we only know about the half brothers of Jesus, James and Jude, since they wrote New Testament books, and James, not Peter, was the head of the Jerusalem church. We don’t even know if the rest of Jesus’ half brothers and sisters, and their father Joseph, ever came to saving faith in Jesus. I hope they did, but we simply don’t know for sure. 👍

87 posted on 09/25/2020 10:08:05 PM PDT by Mark17 (USAF Retired. Father of a US Air Force commissioned officer, and trained Air Force combat pilot.)
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To: Elsie

88 posted on 09/26/2020 4:42:25 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mark17

The thing is - a person who holds to the pre-Trib rapture 19th century philosophy denies Christ and the rapturists call Christ a liar (as Jesus clearly said that the temple would be destroyed in the generation of those listening to Him)

The rapturists by doing that seem heading to hell.


89 posted on 09/28/2020 6:58:20 AM PDT by Cronos (19 years on FR)
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To: Mark17

Christ gave assurances in Matt 24:13 that tribulations WOULD COME to the Christians and the Jesus-movement-Jewish sect would be nearly crushed out before 67 AD, but to endure to the end
This also echoes in what Jesus Christ tells us to do - repent, believe, be baptized in the Name of the Father, Son and holy Spirit, eat of His spiritual body and endure to the end.

The Christ won us our salvation and through our belief in Him, enabled by the freely given grace of God, we reach sanctification through to grow in God’s love and through the final sanctification to be saved

This is exactly as we read in Matthew about how Jesus tells us to hold on to the end and through the grace of God we will be with Him in heaven

Don’t believe the fake rapture philosophy that denies Christ’s words


90 posted on 09/28/2020 7:00:43 AM PDT by Cronos (19 years on FR)
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To: Mark17
the bulk of the biblical data is rather clearly in the amillennial corner. The Bible continually uses the terms Kingdom of God, Kingdom of Heaven, Messianic Kingdom, and Church interchangeably (Matt. 7:21, 9:35, 16:13–20; Luke 11:20; John 3:15

Matt. 7:21 : “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven,[a] but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. ]Jesus went around to all the towns and villages, teaching in their synagogues, proclaiming the gospel of the kingdom, and curing every disease and illness. 16 [c]Simon Peter said in reply, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” 17 Jesus said to him in reply, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood[d] has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father. 18 And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church,[e] and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. 19 I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven.[f] Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 20 But if it is by the finger of God that [I] drive out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

St. John describes the “Church age” in this passage (20:1–6). This age started with the birth of the Church at Christ’s Passion. Satan was then definitively defeated, but his public “chaining” occurred when the Temple in Jerusalem fell. From this point, Christ reigns with His saints over a worldwide spiritual Kingdom. The blessings of Daniel are being bestowed via the “strong covenant” he predicted (Dan. 9:27). The forces of evil are hampered by God’s restraining of Satan. The saints of the Church Triumphant in Heaven have undergone the first resurrection. By their prayers, they are active in the affairs of the earthbound Church Militant during the entire Millennium.

Dealing with enemies is what reigning entails. Christ does not wait to reign until after complete and total victory. That is how we, the Church Militant, are active in cooperating with the Church Triumphant. Christ “must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet” (1 Cor. 15:25). St. Paul assumed that the overcoming of Christ’s enemies was the main focus of ruling the Kingdom! The battle can be exhilarating when you already know who will win. We are sure Christ will be victor in the end, because He kept His appointment with the Sanhedrin: He judged them within the generation He had predicted.

Remember book of Revelations is a book filled with numbers as symbols - the “seven spirits” for instance - 7 is the number for completeness. Hence the 7 spirits = the one Holy Spirit of God.

Ditto for 1000 — that is 10 x 10 x 10 and in Hebrew repeating something thrice is for a superlative - hence the Holy, Holy, Holy and also the 6 6 6 = where 6 is 1 less than 7 so incompleteness

91 posted on 09/28/2020 7:07:10 AM PDT by Cronos (19 years on FR)
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To: Mark17
the Kingdom is not a thing, it is not a geographical dominion like worldly kingdoms. It is a person; it is he. On this interpretation, the term ‘Kingdom of God’ is itself a veiled Christology. By the way in which he speaks of the Kingdom of God, Jesus leads men to realize the overwhelming fact that in him God himself is present among them, that he is God’s presence.

You say paradise on earth - still sticking earthly material aspects on to the spiritual.

the kingdom of God is in the here and now, present in and through the Church. Yet it is a mixed reality that will only be perfectly realized at the end of history. This current “mixed” state can be seen as the Church on earth which now grows in the field of the world with both weeds and wheat until the harvest when Christ says he will “tell the reapers, Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned. But gather the wheat into my barn” (Matt 13:30).

e have been hearing about the Kingdom of Heaven parables in the Gospel of St. Matthew. Although there are parables with this same motif in the other Gospels, we see St. Matthew focusing on the Kingdom of Heaven because he is trying to prove to his audience, Jewish Christians (those who were either converting to Christianity or those who had already converted), that Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of the Davidic and Solomonic Kingdom.

St. Matthew along with the other Gospel writers tells us in their accounts that the Kingdom of God is going to be much different than what they were actually expecting. Most Jews believed that the Messiah would return to reestablish the kingdom that David built, including the reestablishment of the Temple, which Solomon had built. Even in Acts of the Apostles 1:6, the Apostles ask Jesus the question, “Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” – they were speaking about the Davidic kingdom.

Yet, The Kingdom of heaven was inaugurated on earth by Christ in the form of the Church as the seed and beginning of this kingdom

Jesus invitation to enter his kingdom comes in the forms of parables, a characteristic feature of his teaching. Through his parables he invites people to the feast of the kingdom, but he also asks for a radical choice: to gain the kingdom, one must give everything. Words are not enough; deeds are required. The parables are like mirrors for man: will he be hard soil or good earth for the world? What use has he made of the talents he has received? Jesus and the presence of the kingdom in this world are secretly at the heart of the parables. One must enter the kingdom, that is, become a disciple of Christ, in order to “know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven.” For those who stay, “outside,” everything remains enigmatic.

1 Cor 1 12 thanking God our Father for making us fit to share the light which saints inherit,[2] 13 for rescuing us from the power of darkness, and transferring us to the kingdom of his beloved Son.

92 posted on 09/28/2020 7:07:37 AM PDT by Cronos (19 years on FR)
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To: Elsie
😁 Where are the brothers and sisters of Jesus, the sons and daughters of Mary and Joseph? 🤗
93 posted on 09/28/2020 7:33:00 PM PDT by Mark17 (USAF Retired. Father of a US Air Force commissioned officer, and trained Air Force combat pilot.)
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To: Cronos
Don’t believe the fake rapture philosophy that denies Christ’s words

And you wonder why no one is listening to you??


"Call no man father" - Jesus Christ of Nazareth


94 posted on 09/29/2020 4:22:18 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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... and through the final sanctification to be saved

Rome has REALLY done a number on your brain!


Christ's own words ALERT!!!


John 6:28-29

Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”
Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

95 posted on 09/29/2020 4:31:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Cronos
... and through the final sanctification to be saved

Look REALLY hard to see if there is any "final sanctification" ever mentioned by Jesus...

John 6:25-40

25 When they found him on the other side of the lake, they asked him, “Rabbi, when did you get here?”

26 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, you are looking for me, not because you saw the signs I performed but because you ate the loaves and had your fill. 27 Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”

28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

30 So they asked him, “What sign then will you give that we may see it and believe you? What will you do? 31 Our ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written: ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’[c]

32 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is the bread that comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”

34 “Sir,” they said, “always give us this bread.”

35 Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. 36 But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. 37 All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”


96 posted on 09/29/2020 4:34:41 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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The Bible continually uses the terms ...

Golly!

I guess yu guys CAN use the Bible to try to make a point if you wish!

97 posted on 09/29/2020 4:36:12 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mark17

Get thee behind me; Satan!

How DARE you try to get me to speculate about something when the Bible makes no mention of their whereabouts!


98 posted on 09/29/2020 4:38:03 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie; aMorePerfectUnion; MHGinTN; metmom
How DARE you try to get me to speculate about something when the Bible makes no mention of their whereabouts!

Yup, we may not know where they were, but at least we know Jesus had half brothers and sisters, unlike a certain religion, which will remain unnamed, which claims that Mary was a perpetual virgin. I used to belong to that certain religion. I don’t belong to it anymore. 😁🤗😆🤪

99 posted on 09/29/2020 5:21:03 AM PDT by Mark17 (USAF Retired. Father of a US Air Force commissioned officer, and trained Air Force combat pilot.)
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To: Elsie
The Bible continually uses the terms ...

*mother of JESUS*.

100 posted on 09/29/2020 6:07:07 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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