Well, I’m sure you’d agree Christianity is fundamentally provocative. You Also would have to agree not all my posts are provocative.... and for balance, I even receive the ire of some of my rad trad Catholic friends in the forum... and do not fear digging deeper....
No, but I can see why a Cath would want to latch on to it, while Mary also had the hereditary DNA of sinners, which Catholics do not highlight.
Ecumenically speaking, I attempted to show you that Caths share common ground with the Reformation rebels in that we share common ground in the generation of Mary. And if Mary was part of God’s plan for bringing Salvation into this world.... we just feel then that’s something to love and latch onto, without diminishing Christ.
*Veneration....not Generation...... oy vey !
Yes, the TradCaths and radtrad RCs with their sects are quite numerous here and consider themselves to be the faithful RCs, but I do not see you actually challenging them much, meanwhile I am not telling you not to post anti-evangelical provocative articles (and usually it is RCs promoting their church, not evangelicals challenging them), but that if you do then do not complain about them being refuted and your arguments being exposed as sophistry, and shown to actually be an argument against being a Catholic.
In essence you are not posting anything new with your promotions of Rome, for as a newbie here and missed out on the years of wars between those who used FR as RC propaganda organ and those who posted articles attacking her, and thus much of what I respond with is from past responses since the basic specious RC arguments are nothing new, while it remains that distinctive Catholic teachings are not manifest in the only wholly inspired substantive authoritative record of what the NT church believed (which is Scripture, in particular Acts through Revelation, which best shows how the NT church understood the gospels).
Ecumenically speaking, I attempted to show you that Caths share common ground with the Reformation rebels in that we share common ground in the generation of Mary. And if Mary was part of God’s plan for bringing Salvation into this world.... we just feel then that’s something to love and latch onto, without diminishing Christ
Please. You only spoke of the views of Reformers views on Mary in post 183 in your absurd response to my mention of the Assumption being made dogma over 1700 years after the even allegedly happened. And my reproof was not in any denial that Mary was indeed part of God’s plan for bringing Salvation into this world, and men and women before and after her were also, but it is the hyper-exaltation of the Mary of Catholicism that you are being part of, and which surely does diminish Christ. Not with Mary being claimed by Catholic popes and saints etc as,
...in the supernatural and spiritual generation there is a father who is God and a mother who is Mary; she is Mother of her Creator...through Whom the Holy Trinity is sanctified; The power thus put into her (Mary’s) hands is all but unlimited; surpassing in power all the angels and saints in Heaven; At the command of Mary all obey, even God. She is omnipotent; Virgin most powerful; the greatness of the power which she wields over one who is God cannot be conceived; all in heaven and on earth, even God himself, is subject to the Blessed Virgin...she seems to have the same power as God. Her prayers and requests are so powerful with him that he accepts them as commands in the sense that he never resists his dear mother’s prayer because it is always humble and conformed to his will; when she acts, it is also He who acts; and that if her intervention be not accepted, neither is His.... Her position as "the first of all creatures, the most acceptable child of God, the nearest and dearest to him".. through her alone does He dispense His favours and His gifts; there is no grace which Mary cannot dispose of as her own, which is not given to her for this purpose;" above the Cherubim and higher than the Seraphim, right near God Himself!; Mary has authority over the angels and the blessed in heaven...God gave her the power and the mission of assigning to saints the thrones made vacant by the apostate angels who fell away through pride....all the angels in heaven unceasingly call out to her...They greet her countless times each day with the angelic greeting, "Hail, Mary", while prostrating themselves before her, begging her as a favour to honour them with one of her requests...The whole world is filled with her glory...Whatever desires the patriarchs may have cherished, whatever entreaties the prophets and saints of the Old Law may have had for 4,000 years to obtain that treasure, it was Mary alone who merited it; sometimes salvation is quicker if we remember Mary's name then if we invoked the name of the Lord Jesus; No one achieves salvation except through you...No one receives grace except through you; Thou are all-powerful in saving sinners; Beware, chosen soul, of thinking that it is more perfect to direct your work and intention straight to Jesus or straight to God; Lady in heaven, we have but one advocate, and that is thyself, and thou alone art truly loving and solicitous for our salvation; through her are obtained every hope, every grace, and all salvation. For this is his will, that we obtain everything through Mary; in Heaven we have but one advocate, and that is Thyself; and that Thou alone art truly loving and solicitous for our welfare; .you love us with a love that no other love can surpass. How often you appease the wrath of our Divine Judge, when He is on the point of punishing us! All the treasures of the mercy of God are in your hands; she had to suffer, as He did, all the consequences of sin. It was not only during the Passion that Jesus and Mary suffered for our sins; We were condemned through the fault of one woman; we are saved through the merits of another woman; to her, Jesus owes His Precious Blood...
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