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Should we Evangelize Protestants ?
The Catholic Thing ^ | August 9th, 2020 | Casey Chalk

Posted on 08/09/2020 7:46:24 AM PDT by MurphsLaw

We should stop trying to evangelize Protestants, some Catholics say. “Let’s get our own house clean first, before we invite our fellow Christians in,” someone commented on a recent article of mine that presented a Catholic rejoinder to a prominent Baptist theologian. Another reader argued that, rather than trying to persuade Protestants to become Catholic, we should “help each other spread God’s love in this world that seems to be falling to pieces before our eyes.” As a convert from Protestantism, actively engaged in ecumenical dialogue, I’ve heard this kind of thinking quite frequently. And it’s dead wrong.

One common argument in favor of scrapping Catholic evangelism towards Protestants is that the Catholic Church, mired in sex-abuse and corruption scandals, liturgical abuses, heretical movements, and uneven catechesis, is such a mess that it is not, at least for the moment, a place suitable for welcoming other Christians.

There are many problems with this. For starters, when has the Church not been plagued by internal crises? In the fourth century, a majority of bishops were deceived by the Arian heresy. The medieval Church suffered under the weight of simony and a lax priesthood, as well as the Avignon Papacy and the Western Schism, culminating in three men claiming, simultaneously, to be pope. The Counter-Reformation, for all its catechetical, missionary and aesthetic glories, was still marred by corruption and heresies (Jansenism). Catholicism has never been able to escape such trials. That didn’t stop St. Martin of Tours, St. Boniface, St. Francis de Sales, St. Ignatius Loyola, or St. Teresa of Calcutta from their missionary efforts.

The “Catholics clean house” argument also undermines our own theology. Is the Eucharist the “source and summit of the Christian life,” as Lumen Gentium preaches, or not? If it is, how could we in good conscience not direct other Christians to its salvific power? Jesus Himself declared: “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.” (John 6:53) Was our Lord misrepresenting the Eucharist?

Or what of the fact that most Protestant churches allow contraception, a mortal sin? Or that Protestants have no recourse to the sacraments of penance or last rites? To claim Protestants aren’t in need of these essential parts of the Catholic faith is to implicitly suggest we don’t need them either.

* Moreover, in the generations since the Reformation, Rome has been able to win many Protestants back to the fold who have made incalculable contributions to the Church. St. John Henry Newman’s conversion ushered in a Catholic revival in England, and gave us a robust articulation of the concept of doctrinal development. The conversion of French Lutheran pastor Louis Bouyer influenced the teachings of Vatican II. Biblical scholar Scott Hahn’s conversion in the 1980s revitalized lay study of Holy Scripture.

Another popular argument in favor of limiting evangelization of Protestants involves the culture war. Catholics and theologically conservative Protestants, some claim, share significant common ground on various issues: abortion, homosexuality, transgenderism, euthanasia, religious freedom, etc. Secularism, the sexual revolution, and anti-religious progressives represent an existential threat to the survival of both Catholics and Protestants, and thus we must work together, not debate one another. “Let’s hold back any criticism of them,” a person commenting on my article wrote. “Believe me, in the times that we are in, we need to all hang together, or we will definitely hang separately on gallows outside our own churches.”

This line of thought certainly has rhetorical force: we don’t have the luxury of debating with Protestants when the progressivists are planning our imminent demise! Ecumenical debate is a distraction from self-preservation. One problem with this argument is that it reduces our Christian witness to a zero-sum game – we have to focus all our efforts on fighting secular progressivism, or we’ll fail. Yet the Church has many missions in the public square – that Catholics invest great energy in the pro-life movement doesn’t mean we shouldn’t also focus our efforts on other important matters: health-care, education, ensuring religious freedom, or fighting poverty and environmental degradation. All of these, in different ways, are a part of human flourishing. Even if we consider some questions more urgent than others, none of them should be ignored.

Besides, there is a vast difference between mere polemics and charitable, fruitful discussions aimed at resolving disagreements. The former can certainly cause bad blood. The latter, however, can actually foster unity and clarity regarding our purposes. Consider how much more fruitful our fight against the devastation of the sexual revolution would be if we persuaded Protestants that they need to reject things like contraception and the more permissive stance towards divorce that they have allowed to seep into their churches. Consider how non-Christians could learn from charitable ecumenical conversations that don’t devolve into name-calling and vilification.

Finally, abandoning or minimizing the evangelizing of Protestants is to fail to recognize how their theological and philosophical premises have contributed to the very problems we now confront. As Brad Gregory’s book The Unintended Reformation demonstrates, the very nature of Protestantism has contributed to the individualism, secularism, and moral relativism of our age. A crucial component to our Catholic witness, then, is helping Protestants to recognize this, since even when they have the best intentions, their very paradigm undermines their contributions to collaborating with us in the culture war.

I for one am very grateful that Catholics – many of them former Protestants – persuaded me to see the problems inherent to Protestantism, and the indisputable truths of Catholicism. My salvation was at stake. I also found and married a devout Catholic woman, and am raising Catholic children. The Catholic tradition taught me how to pray, worship, and think in an entirely different way. It pains me to think what my life would be like if I hadn’t converted to Catholicism.

Why bother to evangelize devout Protestants? Because they are people like me.


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To: Luircin

Good point bro!


921 posted on 08/22/2020 11:29:41 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (I'd rather be anecdotally alive than scientifically dead... f)
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To: ADSUM

What penance is left for sin? Christ has paid it all. Or do you not believe His Sacrifice sufficient? IT IS FINISHED is a triumphal cry not a defeated whisper


922 posted on 08/22/2020 11:43:21 AM PDT by Mom MD
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To: Mom MD

TETELESTAI
“IT IS FINISHED”
“PAID IN FULL”

MEDITATION ON “IT IS FINISHED” (John 19:30-note) which can also be translated “PAID IN FULL!” THREE words in English, ONE word in Greek – TETELESTAI! The GREATEST WORD from the GREATEST MAN on the GREATEST DAY in all eternity! One word, but no word ever uttered has so changed the history and destiny of mankind. In Latin tetelestai is rendered with two words “Consummatum est” (It is consummated!) Jesus spoke 7 times on the Cross (Lk 23:34-note; Jn 19:36-note; Lk 23:42-note; Mt 27:46-note; Jn 19:28,30-note, Lk 23:46-note). TETELESTAI was Jesus’ next to last word and was followed by “Father, INTO THY HANDS I COMMIT MY SPIRIT.” (Lk 23:46-note). “IT IS FINISHED!” “Yes, indeed/Finished, ev’ry jot/Sinner, this is all you need/Tell me, is it not?” (Ira Sankey)


923 posted on 08/22/2020 12:00:42 PM PDT by Tucker39 ("It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible." George Washington)
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To: Tucker39

Amen


924 posted on 08/22/2020 12:02:49 PM PDT by Mom MD
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To: Mom MD

bingo


925 posted on 08/22/2020 1:12:34 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Sir_Ed
They are irreconcilable, but what if neither belief is necessary for salvation? What if one can have heretical beliefs and still go to Heaven, if you believe in Jesus and His resurrection?

I would assume there is a MINIMUM set of 'rules'; as did these guys that asked a direct question:

John 6:25-40

25 When they found him on the other side of the lake, they asked him, “Rabbi, when did you get here?”

26 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, you are looking for me, not because you saw the signs I performed but because you ate the loaves and had your fill. 27 Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”

28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

30 So they asked him, “What sign then will you give that we may see it and believe you? What will you do? 31 Our ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written: ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’[c]

32 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is the bread that comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”

34 “Sir,” they said, “always give us this bread.”

35 Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. 36 But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. 37 All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”


926 posted on 08/22/2020 1:16:55 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM
There was nothing that I said that contradicts the Catholic faith or Catholic Catechism.

So tell us; just what is your take on your current pope?


Unam Sanctum
 
The Bull lays down dogmatic propositions on the unity of the Church,
the necessity of belonging to it for the attainment of eternal salvation,
the position of the pope as supreme head of the Church,
and the duty thence arising of submission to the pope in order to belong to the Church,
and thus to attain salvation.
 
https://www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/unam-sanctam

927 posted on 08/22/2020 1:20:45 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM
We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff."

--Pope Boniface VIII, Bull Unam sanctam (A.D. 1302)

928 posted on 08/22/2020 1:22:43 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM
You certainly realize that the Blessed Mother passes on the requests to her son, Jesus, with her prayers.

Oh!

Kinda like an Executive secretary!

929 posted on 08/22/2020 1:24:56 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM
You could pray the Rosary daily for the conversion of sinners which could save many of your friends from Hell.

It COULD?!?


DANG!!

Mary should have come up with it a LOT sooner than 700 years ago then.

Just THINK of the exta souls that could have been saved!!


13th century
According to Catholic tradition, the rosary was instituted by the Blessed Virgin Mary herself. In the 13th century, she is said to have appeared to St. Dominic (founder of the Dominicans), given him a rosary, and asked that Christians pray the Hail Mary, Our Father and Glory Be prayers instead of the Psalms.Apr 2, 2014

930 posted on 08/22/2020 1:30:19 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM
And if you really wanted to worship God the Father you could join Jesus at Mass to be part of his sacrifice on the cross that is offered to God the Father.

WHAT??!!??

Don't you realize HE said, "It is finished."??

931 posted on 08/22/2020 1:31:50 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM
Many with free will reject God’s Truth and follow man’s false truth inspired by the devil.

I agree 100%

932 posted on 08/22/2020 1:33:05 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM
So now is the time to repent and do penance for our sins.
933 posted on 08/22/2020 1:35:40 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM
The Church is holy in her Founder, in her saints, an in her means of salvation.

Really?

Just HOW can dead sinners be HOLY??

934 posted on 08/22/2020 1:37:42 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
You certainly realize that the Blessed Mother passes on the requests to her son, Jesus, with her prayers.

That's 'cause Luther must have erased the verse between 4 and 5.


John 2:3-5

And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.

Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.

His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.

 

 

4.5 Jesus!  These dudes want WINE; and the GOOD stuff too!  If you don't want another whuppin' like you got last Passover, Boy; you'd better hop to fermentin' "

 

 

 

935 posted on 08/22/2020 1:48:47 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mark17

Twas my thoughts exactly!

SMTA


936 posted on 08/22/2020 1:49:39 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
😂
937 posted on 08/22/2020 1:54:56 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (I'd rather be anecdotally alive than scientifically dead... f)
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To: Mark17
That might come as a surprise to Mary and Joseph’s other children.



You HERETIC!!!



938 posted on 08/22/2020 1:55:21 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM
Your comment; “Looks like it is you who is making false statements about the Catholic faith as well as contradicting God’s Truth, His Word and your OWN Catechism!” There was nothing that I said that contradicts the Catholic faith or Catholic Catechism. You make a blanket statement and then quote various parts of the Catholic Catechism.

Oh, you mean OTHER THAN your saying:

    My understanding is that non Catholics have limited means of receiving forgiveness of their sins and their assumption that Christ’s death on the cross forgave all future sins is not Biblical and may lead to their loss of salvation.

939 posted on 08/22/2020 2:58:11 PM PDT by boatbums (Come unto me all you who are burdened and heavy laden - for my yoke is easy and my burden is light.)
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To: Elsie
(shall / shalt is NOT 'asking' Mary if she'll do something for GOD) (This ain't CONSENTING)

"Then that would make God a RAPIST!" accusation in 3...2...1...

940 posted on 08/22/2020 6:08:04 PM PDT by boatbums (Come unto me all you who are burdened and heavy laden - for my yoke is easy and my burden is light.)
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