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Should we Evangelize Protestants ?
The Catholic Thing ^ | August 9th, 2020 | Casey Chalk

Posted on 08/09/2020 7:46:24 AM PDT by MurphsLaw

We should stop trying to evangelize Protestants, some Catholics say. “Let’s get our own house clean first, before we invite our fellow Christians in,” someone commented on a recent article of mine that presented a Catholic rejoinder to a prominent Baptist theologian. Another reader argued that, rather than trying to persuade Protestants to become Catholic, we should “help each other spread God’s love in this world that seems to be falling to pieces before our eyes.” As a convert from Protestantism, actively engaged in ecumenical dialogue, I’ve heard this kind of thinking quite frequently. And it’s dead wrong.

One common argument in favor of scrapping Catholic evangelism towards Protestants is that the Catholic Church, mired in sex-abuse and corruption scandals, liturgical abuses, heretical movements, and uneven catechesis, is such a mess that it is not, at least for the moment, a place suitable for welcoming other Christians.

There are many problems with this. For starters, when has the Church not been plagued by internal crises? In the fourth century, a majority of bishops were deceived by the Arian heresy. The medieval Church suffered under the weight of simony and a lax priesthood, as well as the Avignon Papacy and the Western Schism, culminating in three men claiming, simultaneously, to be pope. The Counter-Reformation, for all its catechetical, missionary and aesthetic glories, was still marred by corruption and heresies (Jansenism). Catholicism has never been able to escape such trials. That didn’t stop St. Martin of Tours, St. Boniface, St. Francis de Sales, St. Ignatius Loyola, or St. Teresa of Calcutta from their missionary efforts.

The “Catholics clean house” argument also undermines our own theology. Is the Eucharist the “source and summit of the Christian life,” as Lumen Gentium preaches, or not? If it is, how could we in good conscience not direct other Christians to its salvific power? Jesus Himself declared: “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.” (John 6:53) Was our Lord misrepresenting the Eucharist?

Or what of the fact that most Protestant churches allow contraception, a mortal sin? Or that Protestants have no recourse to the sacraments of penance or last rites? To claim Protestants aren’t in need of these essential parts of the Catholic faith is to implicitly suggest we don’t need them either.

* Moreover, in the generations since the Reformation, Rome has been able to win many Protestants back to the fold who have made incalculable contributions to the Church. St. John Henry Newman’s conversion ushered in a Catholic revival in England, and gave us a robust articulation of the concept of doctrinal development. The conversion of French Lutheran pastor Louis Bouyer influenced the teachings of Vatican II. Biblical scholar Scott Hahn’s conversion in the 1980s revitalized lay study of Holy Scripture.

Another popular argument in favor of limiting evangelization of Protestants involves the culture war. Catholics and theologically conservative Protestants, some claim, share significant common ground on various issues: abortion, homosexuality, transgenderism, euthanasia, religious freedom, etc. Secularism, the sexual revolution, and anti-religious progressives represent an existential threat to the survival of both Catholics and Protestants, and thus we must work together, not debate one another. “Let’s hold back any criticism of them,” a person commenting on my article wrote. “Believe me, in the times that we are in, we need to all hang together, or we will definitely hang separately on gallows outside our own churches.”

This line of thought certainly has rhetorical force: we don’t have the luxury of debating with Protestants when the progressivists are planning our imminent demise! Ecumenical debate is a distraction from self-preservation. One problem with this argument is that it reduces our Christian witness to a zero-sum game – we have to focus all our efforts on fighting secular progressivism, or we’ll fail. Yet the Church has many missions in the public square – that Catholics invest great energy in the pro-life movement doesn’t mean we shouldn’t also focus our efforts on other important matters: health-care, education, ensuring religious freedom, or fighting poverty and environmental degradation. All of these, in different ways, are a part of human flourishing. Even if we consider some questions more urgent than others, none of them should be ignored.

Besides, there is a vast difference between mere polemics and charitable, fruitful discussions aimed at resolving disagreements. The former can certainly cause bad blood. The latter, however, can actually foster unity and clarity regarding our purposes. Consider how much more fruitful our fight against the devastation of the sexual revolution would be if we persuaded Protestants that they need to reject things like contraception and the more permissive stance towards divorce that they have allowed to seep into their churches. Consider how non-Christians could learn from charitable ecumenical conversations that don’t devolve into name-calling and vilification.

Finally, abandoning or minimizing the evangelizing of Protestants is to fail to recognize how their theological and philosophical premises have contributed to the very problems we now confront. As Brad Gregory’s book The Unintended Reformation demonstrates, the very nature of Protestantism has contributed to the individualism, secularism, and moral relativism of our age. A crucial component to our Catholic witness, then, is helping Protestants to recognize this, since even when they have the best intentions, their very paradigm undermines their contributions to collaborating with us in the culture war.

I for one am very grateful that Catholics – many of them former Protestants – persuaded me to see the problems inherent to Protestantism, and the indisputable truths of Catholicism. My salvation was at stake. I also found and married a devout Catholic woman, and am raising Catholic children. The Catholic tradition taught me how to pray, worship, and think in an entirely different way. It pains me to think what my life would be like if I hadn’t converted to Catholicism.

Why bother to evangelize devout Protestants? Because they are people like me.


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To: metmom

...whoever does not believe is condemned …

It does NOT say...
Whoever is baptized not…

It does NOT say...
Whoever is Catholic not …

It does NOT say...
Whoever is not …

(you get the idead.)

381 posted on 08/14/2020 8:30:28 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: smvoice
Green doesn't look good on you??


For a low; LOW! price of ONLY $11.95...
 
 
 
 
 
http://www.catholiccompany.com/brown-scapular-brown-cord-18-inch-i104714/?sku=2026726&utm_source=google&utm_medium=products&aid=4280&product_id=2026726&creative=11070181829&device=c&matchtype=e
 
 

382 posted on 08/14/2020 8:33:02 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN; aMorePerfectUnion; metmom; boatbums
The truth about Fatima circa 1917 is the most devastating truth about the fraudulent Catholic Religion I have come across

When I was a catholic, I believed in Fatima. Now that I am an ex catholic, I certainly do NOT believe it. Now, I have no doubt those people actually saw something, but it was NOT the Virgin Mary (Semiramis) Since we know Satan can appear as an angel of light. I think it’s possible fallen angels can physically appear. The people saw a fallen angel, masquerading as Semiramis, er, I mean the Virgin Mary. 😁
It had to be fallen angels, since they gave a bunch of false doctrines, about the rosary, and maybe other issues as well. Mary has been dead for two thousand years. She isn’t going to be appearing to anyone. 👍

383 posted on 08/14/2020 8:41:09 PM PDT by Mark17 (USAF Retired. Father of a US Air Force commissioned officer, and trained Air Force combat pilot.)
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To: Elsie

The brown scapulars are out of stock...must be a whole lot of Catholictizing goin’ on. Is that the right word for Catholics “evangelizing” Protestants?


384 posted on 08/14/2020 8:47:02 PM PDT by smvoice (I WILL NOT WEAR THE RIBBON.)
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To: Mark17

The truth about Fatima circa 1917...


 

"Only She Can Help You"
by Father Nicholas Gruner, S.T.L., S.T.D. (Cand.)
In this letter introducing The Fatima Crusader Issue 38, Father Gruner discusses the growing lies and deception about Russia's errors and the consecration of that nation. He also reminds us that, while it is urgent that we be informed about and fight for Our Lady's cause, we must ask for Her help and intercession.



The Rosary
by Father Stefano Manelli, S.T.D.
It is greatly important that Our Lady insisted on the Rosary. When at Fatima She spoke of the salvation of sinners, of the ruin of souls in hell, of wars and peace, and of the future of our age. Our Lady indicated and recommended the Rosary as the prayer that saves, that brings peace, that preserves the faith.

Mary, Our Life, Our Sweetness, Our Hope
by St. Alphonsus de Liguori
St. Alphonsus de Liguori explains how Mary is our life, how She is our sweetness, and how She is our hope.

The historical record of the worship of Mary accumulated by St. Alphonsus de Liguori who wrote “The Glories of Mary” in the year 1745, which has been since translated into English and printed again and again and again with the full affirmation and imprimatur of the official Roman Catholic Church.  In this book there is the sum of all the glories of Mary which has been vouchsafe to the Roman Catholic Church and the Church itself calls upon all its constituents to give Mary that honor she is due.  She is identified as Mary, our Queen; Mary, our mother; Mary, our life; Mary, our sweetness; Mary, our hope; Mary, our help; Mary, our Mediatress; Mary, our advocate; Mary, our guardian; and Mary, our salvation.  It is said that Mary delivers us from hell, Mary delivers us from purgatory, and Mary leads us to heaven.  And it should be said that de Liguori, who collected all the Marion dogma and devotion, was himself one of the most celebrated and revered authorities in the Roman Catholic Church.  De Liguori was himself a cardinal in life, and a saint in death.

 

Jesus said "Without Me you can do nothing". In this crisis which looms ahead of us, Our Lady has told us that we need Her help, Her intercession. We must ask for Her help with the Rosary and the Scapular.

At Fatima , Our Lady told us very plainly that "Only I can help you". Today more than ever is this so true.

Pray the Rosary and sacrifice yourself for Our Lady.

I urge you to also make some sacrifices as Our Lady of Fatima asked us. For those who are able, do some fasting. If you can, abstain from meat by eating meat only during one meal a day. Try to do this for two days, even ten days or 30 days. Of course we should abstain totally from meat every Friday.

 

 Jesus and Mary — Our Hope

It is so urgent that we reach as many souls as possible before it is too late. Let us be of good cheer and remember the words of Jesus to each of us, "It's never too late to have recourse to Jesus and Mary." That is why it is so important to reach the many millions of souls who do not know this, and who do not know the grave dangers lying in wait for their souls.

No, we must never lose hope. Mary is our hope. She can obtain for us what we cannot by ourselves. Read what St. Alphonsus has to say regarding confidence in Our Lady's intercession in "Mary Leads Her Servants to Heaven". Father Manelli also reminds us of the importance of devotion to Our Lady. (See "Hail Mary, Full of Grace"). Our Blessed Mother tells us to turn to Her in confidence. She tells us repeatedly to ask Her intercession through the frequent fervent praying of the Rosary. (See "The Rosary"). She tells us we must pray the Rosary every day. She wants us to pray it many times a day.

 

http://Fatima.org/crusader/cr38/cr38pg2.asp



"Blessed is he whose interior offers the Blessed Virgin Mary a place of repose." Devotion towards the Blessed Virgin remains in all who are the inheritance of Our Lord; that is to say, in all who will praise Him eternally in Heaven.

O, how many blessed souls are now in Heaven who would never have been there had not Mary, by Her powerful intercession, led them thither. I made that in the heavens there should rise light that never faileth. Cardinal Hugo, in his commentary on the above text of Ecclesiasticus, says in the name of Mary, "I have caused as many saints in Heaven through Her intercession, who would never have been there but through Her ."

...in the words of St. Ambrose, "Open to us, O Mary, the gates of paradise, since Thou hast its keys." "Aperi nobis, O Virgo coelum, cujus claves habes." Nay more, the Church says, that "Thou art its gate." 

St. Antoninus tells us "that this divine Mother has already, by Her assistance and prayers, obtained Heaven for us, provided we put no obstacle in the way."23 Hence, says Abbot Guerric, "he who serves Mary, and for whom She intercedes, is as certain of Heaven as if he was already there."24 St. John Damascene also says, "that to serve Mary and be Her courtier is the greatest honor we can possibly possess; for to serve the Queen of Heaven is already to reign there, and live under Her commands is more than to govern."25 On the other hand, he adds, "that those who do not serve Mary will not be saved; for those who are deprived of the help of this great Mother are also deprived of that of Her Son and of the whole court of heaven."26

 23.  "Coeleste nobis regnum, suo interventu auxiliis, et precibus, impetravit."—Paciucch. Sup. Salve Reg. exc. I.
 24. "Qui Virgini famulatur, ita securus est de paradiso, ac si esset in paradiso."
 25. "Summus honor, servire Mariæ, et de ejus esse familia; etenim ei servire, regnare est; et ejus agi frænis, summa libertas."
 26. "Gens quæ non servierit illi, peribit; gentes destitutæ tantæ Matris auxilio, destituuntur auxilio Filii et totius curi’‘ coelestis."— De Laud. B. M. I. 4.

Cardinal Hugo http://Fatima.org/crusader/cr38/cr38pg3.asp 


385 posted on 08/14/2020 8:47:05 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
I clicked on your catholic link. Not only can you get a brown scapular, but you can also bury Covid face masks. Ain’t that something?
What are people supposed to do, if they are out of stock of scapulars? Since they are supposed to aid in attaining Heaven, I wonder if the people get scared, when they can’t get one? 🤗 I went to catholic grade school and high school. We wore the scapular when we were in grade school, but in high school, we didn’t. I don’t remember why, we stopped, but maybe it was because the wool really felt bad against the skin. 😁🤣👍
386 posted on 08/14/2020 9:01:50 PM PDT by Mark17 (USAF Retired. Father of a US Air Force commissioned officer, and trained Air Force combat pilot.)
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To: Elsie

Did you intend to support the fraud of Fatima, because that is how your post comes across. A real phenomenon occurred at Fatima in 1917. There was a photographer recording the event. He captured images of the dull silver disc in the ait over the crowd and which ‘buzzed’ the mass of people. Radiation burtns were real and the eyewitness reports taken by the local Priest have been preserved in the museum at Fatima.The fourth child who saw a vision of an above the knees toga wearing apparition was real. But none of them saw The Mother of The Lord.


387 posted on 08/14/2020 9:04:42 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Mark17

Ahhh, so that’s what purgatory is for..waiting for restocks of Catholic essentials!


388 posted on 08/14/2020 9:05:16 PM PDT by smvoice (I WILL NOT WEAR THE RIBBON.)
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To: smvoice; Elsie
must be a whole lot of Catholictizing goin’ on

I believe you just conjured up a new word. 😁😁🤪🤑 Congratulations. If you keep doing that, you might force Elsie and I to start conjuring up Limericks. Are you sure you want to open that Pandora’s box, and release the kraken? 😉😀😊🤑🤣🤪

389 posted on 08/14/2020 9:14:30 PM PDT by Mark17 (USAF Retired. Father of a US Air Force commissioned officer, and trained Air Force combat pilot.)
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To: MHGinTN; Elsie
Did you intend to support the fraud of Fatima,

Elsie’s post did not come across that way to me. 🤣🤣😊

390 posted on 08/14/2020 9:18:54 PM PDT by Mark17 (USAF Retired. Father of a US Air Force commissioned officer, and trained Air Force combat pilot.)
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To: smvoice
Ahhh, so that’s what purgatory is for..waiting for restocks of Catholic essentials!

Well, I never thought of it that way, but you might be on to something there. 👍

391 posted on 08/14/2020 9:21:25 PM PDT by Mark17 (USAF Retired. Father of a US Air Force commissioned officer, and trained Air Force combat pilot.)
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To: Mark17

You know there’s a bad moon rising
When gift stores start advising
We’re out of those things
Essential church blings
For sharing our Catholictizing.


392 posted on 08/14/2020 9:45:14 PM PDT by smvoice (I WILL NOT WEAR THE RIBBON.)
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To: smvoice

YES! The boys have a competitor for best limericks now!


393 posted on 08/14/2020 10:04:11 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Elsie; smvoice
Elsie, it appears we have some competition here. A direct affront to our “guy thing,” of conjuring up Limericks. What are you going to do about it bro? 😁🤪😊🙃
394 posted on 08/14/2020 10:04:25 PM PDT by Mark17 (USAF Retired. Father of a US Air Force commissioned officer, and trained Air Force combat pilot.)
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To: MHGinTN; Mark17; Elsie

Oh I love a good limmerick! Ping me!


395 posted on 08/14/2020 10:07:48 PM PDT by smvoice (I WILL NOT WEAR THE RIBBON.)
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To: smvoice

You be too much for them ... coined a new word and used it in a great limerick!


396 posted on 08/14/2020 10:12:23 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN

;)


397 posted on 08/14/2020 10:18:59 PM PDT by smvoice (I WILL NOT WEAR THE RIBBON.)
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To: smvoice; MHGinTN; Elsie
Everyone seems to love a good Limerick
Even if it may not be their normal schtick
Try as they might
To get it just right
Making it rhyme, is really quite the trick.

😁🤑😆🤪🤣👍

398 posted on 08/14/2020 11:13:34 PM PDT by Mark17 (USAF Retired. Father of a US Air Force commissioned officer, and trained Air Force combat pilot.)
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To: MHGinTN; Roman_War_Criminal; Elsie
The fourth child who saw a vision of an above the knees toga wearing apparition was real. But none of them saw The Mother of The Lord.

I wonder if those children were in great danger of alien abduction? Someone told me once, that God uses miracles. Fallen angels use technology.

Remember to avoid the black eyed children. 😁👍

399 posted on 08/14/2020 11:23:03 PM PDT by Mark17 (USAF Retired. Father of a US Air Force commissioned officer, and trained Air Force combat pilot.)
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To: Theo
If by “evangelize” you mean preach the good news of Jesus ... by all means!

But that's not what it is...They have pitted their god against our God...They have put their Church against Jesus Christ...

We seek the words of Jesus and his wisdom...They seek the words of men and their philosophy and wisdom...

It was not Martin Luther who led me to a non Catholic religion...It was the bible...

Marty was used by God to put the scriptures into a language that Catholics could understand...People could read what God actually said and then make up their own minds...And this led to the greatest schism religion has ever encountered...Those who chose to read the scriptures for themselves left the Catholic religion...Those who didn't bother with the scriptures but loved to hear the religious sounding Latin language and the religious looking settings stayed...And it's still true today...

The Catholic religion is their god...

400 posted on 08/14/2020 11:28:15 PM PDT by Iscool
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