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To: Iscool

How can you believe that the “flesh” of Jesus - God and man who died on the cross for our sins profits nothing? Get behind me, Satan.

Jesus told us we need to eat and drink his flesh and blood for our salvation.

So we pray for it in the Our Father.

Then, after these universal intentions—for God’s glory and for his will—we pray for the things we need in order to glorify him and be united to him. “Our daily bread” means all that we need to serve him here and now: first of all, his supernatural gift of his Body in the Holy Eucharist, and then the necessities of life we need each day.

Protestants only receive bread and grape juice, so that is what they pray for.

One day if your faith allows you, you may be able to pray for this supernatural gift of the Eucharist that Christ left for us at the Last Supper.


198 posted on 07/26/2020 1:15:22 PM PDT by ADSUM
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To: ADSUM; Iscool; aMorePerfectUnion
How can you believe that the “flesh” of Jesus - God and man who died on the cross for our sins profits nothing? Get behind me, Satan.

It is the Lord Jesus who said:

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. (John 6:63)

And which contextually does not refer to the flesh not profiting as the atonement, but as food. Thus the preceding reasoning question, "What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?" (John 6:62) in response to those who presumed that the Lord's use of physical terms (as in Jn. 2,3, 4 and elsewhere) was literally, and thus since Christ would leave earth (and nothing is said in Jn. 6 about church Eucharistic rituals) then He would not be there to provide His flesh that would be crucified.

And nowhere in John - in which the earthly is contrasted with the heavenly, (John 8:23) the physical with the spiritual, (John 3:6) the temporal with the eternal (John 4:33,34) - nor in all of Scripture is spiritual life obtained by literally consuming anything physical. However, entirely consistent with John, spiritual life is only obtained by believing the gospel, and it is the word of God that is called spiritual food ("milk," "meat") by which one is nourished and built up - not via the Cath. Eucharist. (Acts 20:28; 1Pt. 5:2 ;1Co. 3:22; 1Pt. 1:22; Heb. 5:12-14; 1 Timothy 4:6; Acts 20:32)

Likewise,

And the three mighty men brake through the host of the Philistines, and drew water out of the well of Bethlehem, that was by the gate, and took it, and brought it to David: nevertheless he would not drink thereof, but poured it out unto the Lord. And he said, Be it far from me, O Lord, that I should do this: is not this the blood of the men that went in jeopardy of their lives? therefore he would not drink it. (2 Samuel 23:16-17)

Here, David clearly calls drinking water human blood, and consistent with the command of Deuteronomy 12:16; 15:23 (cf. Lv. 17:10,11), he poured it on to the ground, and did so as an act of worship unto the Lord. What David did not do was contrive some metaphysical justification for drinking this, but to be consistent with the professed plain-language hermeneutic Catholics insist they hold to in regards to "this is my body," then they should also insist this was literal in this case. As well as when God clearly states that the Canaanites were “bread:

• “Only rebel not ye against the LORD, neither fear ye the people of the land; for they are bread for us” (Num. 14:9)

Other examples of the use of figurative language for eating and drinking include,

The Promised Land was “a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof.” (Num. 13:32)

David said that his enemies came to “eat up my flesh.” (Ps. 27:2)

And complained that workers of iniquity ”eat up my people as they eat bread , and call not upon the Lord.” (Psalms 14:4)

And the Lord also said, “I will consume man and beast; I will consume the fowls of the heaven, and the fishes of the sea, and the stumblingblocks with the wicked; and I will cut off man from off the land, saith the Lord.” (Zephaniah 1:3)

While even arrows can drink: “I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh ; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the beginning of revenges upon the enemy.' (Deuteronomy 32:42)

But David says the word of God (the Law) was “sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. (Psalms 19:10)

Another psalmist also declared the word as “sweet:” How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!” (Psalms 119:103)

Jeremiah likewise proclaimed, “Your words were found. and I ate them. and your word was to me the joy and rejoicing of my heart” (Jer. 15:16)

Ezekiel was told to eat the words, “open thy mouth, and eat that I give thee...” “eat that thou findest; eat this scroll, and go, speak to the house of Israel.” (Ezek. 2:8; 3:1)

John is also commanded, “Take the scroll ... Take it and eat it.” (Rev. 10:8-9 )

And Scripture refers to Christ being spiritual food and drink which even OT believers consumed:

And did all eat the same spiritual meat; "And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ." (1 Corinthians 10:3-4)

And Christ's word in Jn. 6, "I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst," (John 6:35) are correspondent to,

"Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness. Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David." (Isaiah 55:2-3)

Moreover, like as bread is broken, Is. 53:10 states that "it pleased the Lord to bruise him," and the word for "bruise" (da^ka^') means to crumble, to break..., (Strong's). And like as wine is poured out, so Is. 53:12 also states of Christ, "he hath poured out his soul unto death," both of which are correspondent to the words of the Last Supper regarding bread and wine.

And which use of figurative language for Christ and spiritual things abounds in John, using the physical to refer to the spiritual:

Much more , by the grace of God.

203 posted on 07/26/2020 2:13:39 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: ADSUM
Jesus told us we need to eat and drink his flesh and blood for our salvation.

Jesus told us to, "...call no man father."


237 posted on 07/26/2020 3:50:29 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM

He did not tell us to eat and drink for our salvation. As I recall His exact words were “This do in remembrance of Me”. While I believe what Christ said about His supper I believe what He said. You add many things He never said. He said Body and Blood no mention of soul or divinity. He said take and eat the bread and wine, not worship and adore them. Stop adding to what Christ says and then try to impose it on others


240 posted on 07/26/2020 3:57:50 PM PDT by Mom MD
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