Posted on 07/24/2020 7:55:20 AM PDT by Teleios Research
Be convinced with these 4 biblical truths: 1. Each of us has sinned; 2. God is just, requiring a punishment for sin; 3. But out of love God sent His Son, Jesus Christ who by dying on the cross, provided forgiveness of sins in taking man’s deserved punishment; 4. Therefore, by faith alone in Christ’s sacrifice for our sins and belief in His resurrection, man can gain eternal life. (Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 10:9-10, Romans 3:21-26) Read more at https://teleiosresearch.com/salvation-explanation/.
Tell that to any Christian practicing homosexuality and willfully continuing in that sin.
I get it (I think)...
So Paul lied to us and we are NOT sealed unto the day of Redemption OR only some Christians are sealed unto the day of Redemption...Which one of those statements is true???
Did God/Jesus ever deliver Eph. 2:8-10 to Moses and the Israelites???
Explain how you are saying willful, unrepentant sinners will be in heaven.
Did God/Jesus ever deliver Eph. 2:8-10 to Moses and the Israelites???
Has nothing to do with God’s physical appearance to anyone. So, I have no idea what your point is.
John 6:63 63It is the spirit that quickeneth: the flesh profiteth nothing. The words that I have spoken to you, are spirit and life.
How can you believe that the “flesh” of Jesus - God and man who died on the cross for our sins profits nothing? Get behind me, Satan.
Protestants keep quoting this verse to question the “flesh” of Jesus that “It is the Spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail;”
A contrast between the Spirit’s ability to enlighten our minds and human reason’s inability to comprehend revealed truths apart from faith. It is this earthbound perspective that is profitless in the face of divine mysteries. Note that Jesus is not speaking of his own “flesh” which does in fact give life to the world. Try to accept and understand John 6:53-54.
You forget the next phrase “But there are some of you that do not believe.” That sounds like protestants belief.
If one truly places their trust in God and does His will, then they will become enlightened to God’s Truth.
One’s pride, presumption, obstinacy, impenitence, deliberate resistance to the truth stand in the way.
30And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, in whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
Initially they WERE SEALED. Most versions say "were" But, it doesn't really make a difference.
SDA Bible Commentary on Ephesians 4:30
Sealed. As in ch. 1:12, 13 believers were said to be sealed “in Christ,” so here they are said to be sealed in the “holy Spirit” (see on Eph. 1:13; cf. 2 Cor. 1:22). For the significance of the seal see on Rev. 7:2. The reception of the Holy Spirit at conversion is God’s authentication that the believer is accepted, that the approval of Heaven rests upon his choice and experience. Unto. Rather, “with a view to.” It is hoped that the believer will persevere and that he will be glorified. This can be only if he holds “fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end” (Heb. 3:6). The act of sealing does not forever guarantee salvation, for it is possible to sin against the Holy Spirit and thus forfeit redemption (see on Matt. 12:31; cf. on Heb. 6:4–6). The sin for which there is no pardon comes as a climax to a series of grievings. It is important therefore to guard against even a single act of grieving. Redemption. See on ch. 1:14.
“When a [person] is honestly mistaken, and is shown the Truth; s/he either ceases to be mistaken, ...
OR CEASES TO BE HONEST.”
— Dr. Martin Luther King
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You’ve now been shown the actual Greek, where your added words do not appear.
Your call.
So yoursoul has degenerated so far that you characterize what JESUS said to explain His words as ‘lying’. Wow, what a great ROMAN CATHOLIC you show yourself to be. I copy and pasted that passage from the DR Bible, btw. You are a dead soul rushing toward perdition.
Doth not commit sin. That is, he does not continue to sin, or he does not habitually sin (see on v. 6; the form of the Greek verb here is the same as it is there).
'Bout all I can say is, 'who do you think you're foolin'???
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
So you're trying to claim this verse actually says (in the original Greek) whosoever continues to sin or habitually sins transgresses the law...
Sorry Charlie, the rest of the verse says ANY sin, first time or continual is a transgression of the law...The rest of the bible translators got it right...
1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
Rom_4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
Some of you guys always think you are smarter than the translators...Why don't you guys just leave the verses alone, take them as they are and ask God for the wisdom to figure it out and understand it...
“When a [person] is honestly mistaken, and is shown the Truth; s/he either ceases to be mistaken, ... OR CEASES TO BE HONEST.” — Dr. Martin Luther King
Yeah, I like that. Your call
In other words, you added it...
26If we deliberately go on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no further sacrifice for sins remains, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume all adversaries.…
Sorry Buford, but you are mistaken.
SDA Bible Commentary on Hebrews 10:26
Sin wilfully (the above version uses the word deliberately..Philsworld). That is, continue to sin willfully, as the form of the Greek verb indicates. As the context makes evident (see v. 29), reference here is not to single acts of sin committed in the full knowledge of their heinous character, but to the attitude of mind that prevails when a person deliberately renounces Christ, refuses salvation, and rejects the Holy Spirit. This is deliberate, persistent, defiant sin. It is a considered reversal of the former decision to accept salvation in Christ and to yield one’s heart and life to Him. It is premeditated apostasy, and leads to the unpardonable sin (see on Matt. 12:31, 32). It is a continuing state of revolt against God.
Ask forgiveness, pray to God for help in keeping you from sinning, go and sin no more (try not to)
“ SDA Bible Commentary”
Who got time fo that??!
Some of you guys always think you are smarter than the translators...Why don’t you guys just leave the verses alone, take them as they are and ask God for the wisdom to figure it out and understand it...
About wisdom: It’s also linked DIRECTLY to commandment keeping
Psalms 111:10
You are not debating me.
I don’t want to. Why are you even posting to me?
“ SDA Bible Commentary”
Who got time fo that??!
Maybe someone who is searching for the “truth” and a better explanation to chapter and verse other than what Liars, and false teachers tell them. You are under no obligation to read it. Instead, please use your time to study Greek and maybe find an answer as to why pre trib rapture theory believers....
CHOP OFF THE LAST WEEK OF DANIEL’S 70 WEEK CONTINUOUS TIME PROPHECY, GIVEN BY GOD, AND MAGICALLY TRANSPORT IT 2000+ YEARS INTO THE FUTURE AND CALL THAT THE 7 YEAR TRIBULATION PERIOD.
How can you believe that the “flesh” of Jesus - God and man who died on the cross for our sins profits nothing? Get behind me, Satan.
Jesus told us we need to eat and drink his flesh and blood for our salvation.
So we pray for it in the Our Father.
Then, after these universal intentions—for God’s glory and for his will—we pray for the things we need in order to glorify him and be united to him. “Our daily bread” means all that we need to serve him here and now: first of all, his supernatural gift of his Body in the Holy Eucharist, and then the necessities of life we need each day.
Protestants only receive bread and grape juice, so that is what they pray for.
One day if your faith allows you, you may be able to pray for this supernatural gift of the Eucharist that Christ left for us at the Last Supper.
His Body and blood is food and drink. [post 161]
Obviously you are (once again) propagating prevarication based upon isolationist eisegesis, for NOWHERE in the only wholly God-inspired and faithful substantive record of how the NT church understood the gospels (Acts-Rev.) is the Lord's supper stated, described, or shown to be spiritual food.
In fact, nowhere therein do we see (unscriptural) Catholic priests conducting the Lord's supper, offering it as a sacrifice for sins and dispensing it as spiritual food, or conducting the Lords supper being a unique function for NT pastors.
Instead, the primary function (besides prayer) of NT episkopos/presbuteros is that of preaching/teaching the inspired word of God. By which word (Scriptures) man is to live by, (Mt. 4:4) as Christ lived by the Father, (Jn. 6:57) with doing His will being His “meat.” (Jn. 4:34) by the believing of which one receives spiritual lie, being regenerated, (Acts 10:43-47; 15:7-9; Eph. 1:13) and thus desiring the milk of the word, (1Pt. 2:2) and then handling the “strong meat” (Heb. 5:12-14) of the word of God, which word believers are “nourished” (1Tim. 4:6) and built up, and are to let it dwell in them richly. (Col. 3:16)
Nor in all the Bible is literally eating anything the means of obtaining spiritual life. And rather than being the centerpiece of the Christian life, the Lord's supper is not even clearly described expect in two chapters of one epistle. And in which it is not that of the sacerdotal priestly Catholic spiritual food feast, while their failure is that of effectually not recognizing other believers as being members of the "one bread," the body of Christ, the cgurch.
Actually if you take "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day" (John 6:53-54) literally, as with other "verily, verily" statements, then it is you who deny this - unless you deny the affirmation of V2 that properly baptized Prots have the Holy Spirit, for they deny the Catholic Real Presence.
Quoting the CCC is not going to help you here, for their is no ignorance clause in the verses you have chosen to take literally in your private interpretation (unless you can provide an infallible interpretation that states what your interpretation requires) of John 6:53,54.
As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. (John 6:57)
Which actually refutes your semi-literal "real flesh" since Christ did not spiritually live by consuming anything literally, but instead He stated that,
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. (Matthew 4:4)
And thus,
Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work. (John 4:34)
Therefore to consume the body and blood of the Word of God made flesh is to ingest His word, and thus be born spiritually by this word, for "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life," (John 6:63)thus that having "believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, (Ephesians 1:13) by the Lord who "begat he us with the word of truth." (James 1:18)
For rather than your isolationist eisegesis and metaphysical "Real Presence," it is only the metaphorical understanding that easily conflates with the rest of Scripture.
t is the interpretation of the teaching of Christ’s Catholic church based on the authority Christ gave His Church. CCC2861...While I do not know you, you appear resistant to God’s Word and follow false teachers and reject God’s Word.
Rather, this is simply more example of insolent question-begging illogical assertions, presuming the very premise that has been refuted. Rather than the ensured ecclesiastical veracity your assertions presume,it remains that distinctive Catholic teachings are not manifest in the only wholly inspired substantive authoritative record of what the NT church believed (which is Scripture, in particular Acts through Revelation, which best shows how the NT church understood the gospels).
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