The biggest threat to Christians is the teaching of a pre-tribulation rapture

Noq report ^ | 23 May 2019 | Jd Rucker

[Cronos]

....The vast majority of popular churches teach that believers will be called up to Heaven before the tribulation. Simply stated, the Bible does not support this claim.

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In many scriptures of the Bible, there is a “falling away” or discussion of great deceptions that are coming to the world. It has been hard for believers in Christ to comprehend the possibility of the masses falling away from Christianity because faith has been a powerful part of society for nearly two millenniums, but we are seeing it today. Moreover, we are seeing the spreading of a seed that will cause further apostasy among believers in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior: the myth of a pre-tribulation rapture.

The not-so-simple answer is that Satan is pushing this as part of his agenda. It is Satan that rules the earth. His goal is to pull as many people away from the faith as possible, which is why he and his minions began deceiving Christians at their core starting in the early 19th century with the doctrine of a pre-tribulation rapture. He has brought about and continues to bring about waves of deceptions to pull people away from even considering the Word of the Bible, but this particular deception is to attack those who are wanting to be strong in their faith. It’s designed to shake the spirits of the believers to the point of non-belief.

Think about it. If you make people believe that they are not going to face suffering, that they are “special” and will avoid all of the troubles that will engulf the world, then they are weakened as a result.

[imardmd1]

Nope, yons a non-Biblical belief made up in the 19th century

Actually, no, Cronos.

The harpadzo, the sudden catching-up, the snatching-away, the rapiemur (from the Latin of the Vulgate), the Rapture, is a concept of how regenerated believers are to meet the Lord in the air, a prophecy accepted by the early churches, but buried for many centuries by the unbelieving Roman dogmatizers, until the idea of an Antichrist in a 7-year Tribulation was dug out by Catholic priests in the 1500s, the Rapture by Puritans in America in the 1600s, later on popularized--not invented--by John Darby and the "Plymouth" brethren in the 1800s, and magnified by the Schofield Reference Bible first published in the early 1900s.

Your miscommunication marks you as a commenter that cannot be relied on, Cronos.

[ealgeone]

dude, I've read the Scriptures. What I don't find in them is Roman Catholicism.

That should be your primary concern.

Still awaiting your answer on the Brown Scapular....but I think I know the answer.

[Nea Wood]

Thank you for that link. Very interesting.

[Cronos]

Really? Then why not believe in the words of Jesus Himself who spoke of the tribulation of 60 to 70 AD and of the destruction of the Temple.

Jesus’s apocalyptic prophesy was fulfilled.

If one trusts in Christ, one will reject the pre-Trib rap fantasy.

The question is...are you trusting in Christ and Christ alone or do you believe the non-Biblical, non-Christian Pre-Trib rap fantasy?

[ealgeone]

The bible as pointed out above, rejects the pre-Trib rap, which is why it was only invented in the 19th cnetury by the same crew that led to Mormons, jehovah’s witnesses, adventists etc.

You might want to check that. The ECFs are against you on this...as is Scripture.

[Campion]

Your denomination has Mary defeating Satan as Rev 12 is supposed to be about her

Yes, because the Child in Rev 12 is clearly Jesus, and the dragon is clearly the devil personified through his minion, Herod, but the woman ... she can't be an individual, she can only be a kind of a symbol of something ... we're not sure exactly what, but it's not very important. Although every Scripture is God-breathed and useful for instruction in righteousness, except ones the Catholics like, like this one. /s

[ealgeone]

Still avoiding the Brown Scapular question.

Ok...IF I were to reject the rapture but have faith in Christ I'm still good.

IF the Rapture is true and I have faith in Christ, I'm still good.

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Now, for you....if you're trusting in the Brown Scapular + Christ, you're toast.

We can keep playing.

[ealgeone]

Yes, because the Child in Rev 12 is clearly Jesus, and the dragon is clearly the devil personified through his minion, Herod, but the woman ... she can't be an individual, she can only be a kind of a symbol of something ... we're not sure exactly what, but it's not very important.

You're not sure? When Rome writes very clearly this is Mary??

Whoa....it is VERY important in Roman Catholicism, though not NT Christianity.

Perhaps you don't know what your denomination really teaches.

[cuban leaf]

I call that my “goldilocks” link. Not too shallow and not too “into the weeds”. It is in book form as well.

[MHGinTN]

Selah ... pause here readers, to hear what the Spirit says.

[MHGinTN]

What ckutch brought was a lie: “The pre-Trib rap story - is it from Satan?” Clutch even began the spew with that lie which you embrace so eagerly. Clutch went on to spew: Pre-trib rapture is a vision that a 16 year old Scottish girl had back in the 1800s and it gained popularity etc... here’s a video that talks to history:

You are a liar and mock the Truth in scriptures by adding your special lying twist to the Hisotry and the scriptures.

I repeat, for the moderator, Cronos is a liar and the truth is not in him.

[MHGinTN]

Cronos is not correct, but it is understandable that a fellow Catholic cannot discern the Truth.

[MHGinTN]

So now you twist what I write also? Typical of the father of lies children.

[Nea Wood]

Here’s what I’ve always wondered. They say when the Rapture happens, planes will fall from the sky as pilots are raptured, the freeways will be a horror because drivers will be raptured, etc. And there will be piles of clothing everywhere, since of course God is not going to “rapture” our clothes. So by that logic, the piles will also contain things like toupees, false teeth, and breast implants. So— will we all be gathered in Heaven somewhere, naked, saying things to each other like, “Sorry, Todd, I don’t understand you without your false teeth,” or “Wow, Megan, obviously you had a mastectomy on earth, I didn’t know”? I suppose we’ll be so happy to have been raptured, we won’t care about things like that, nor will we be embarrassed about our loved ones going through the piles we left behind. But does it seem logical? And why would God want our old, fallible bodies, anyway? If he was going to rapture us, why wouldn’t He just rapture our souls and leave our bodies behind?

[nralife]

This already long and indecisive thread is a perfect argument against the reformation and sola scriptura In general.

[imardmd1]

And John talks of the upcoming destruction of Jerusalem in 69 AD

Beloved John wrote the Book of the Revelation long after the destruction of the Second Temple, predicted by Jesus, and which occurred in year 70 of our secular calendar. In 70 AD Vespasian was the Caesar.

Please stop misadvising FReepers, Cronos.

[MHGinTN]

You are exhibiting the characteristics of your father, the father of lies who twists and deceives.

[ealgeone]

Is the link to your blog site?

[blue-duncan]

“Then why not believe in the words of Jesus Himself who spoke of the tribulation of 60 to 70 AD and of the destruction of the Temple.”

Maybe because the prophecy has not been fulfilled .

Mat 24:30-31, “And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory, and he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”

[Biggirl]

Um....No.