Posted on 09/11/2019 10:52:15 AM PDT by Gamecock
562, plus every single post where you called yourself Catholic because you’re bound to believe the RC catechism if you’re catholic. Now answer the question. Are you depending on your works to save you, or the grace of God?
Okay, so you think the words of Jesus are a strawman. Don’t take the mark when commanded to you.
You are indeed a shame. Jesus taught to Nicodemus what He repeated to the unbelieving Jews (like you haughty Catholics) who insisted on being told what THEY could do to earn eternal life (a trait repeated by arrogant, haughty, insulting Catholics like you are showing yourself to be). last warning, don’t take the Mark of the beast you are now serving, perhaps unwittingly, but who knows ?
So, DO you earn your salvation by your works, or are you trusting in the grace of God to save you?
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Another example of setting up a straw man since I have never said anything about earning salvation through works. That said, anyone who fails to do the will of the Father as is clearly revealed throughout the Scriptures will not enter the kingdom of heaven. Who says so? His Son says so and He is quoted by St. Matthew (matt 2:21). You want to refute what I’m saying? Take it up with Jesus!
I'm misinformed that millions of people had their own bibles in the middle ages? Handwritten at that?
IF there has never been a moment when you believe in Christ ALONE for His deliverance to you, then the righteousness of Christ has never been IMPUTED to your dead spirit. You cannot move the target by beign a good boy/girl to earn favor with GOD. Either you admit your are a destitute sinner and accept GOD's verdict so He can birth you anew from above, or you are lost with a dead spirit which you cannot make alive no matter how 'good' you presume yourself tyo be behaving.
To receive eternal LIFE (instead of retaining your eternal deadness) you must be born again so the Righteousness of Christ is accounted for you. You asked for 'the will of God' and you were quoted the very passage JESUS spoke defining the will of God. But then you spit upon that offering calling it a strawman. Examine yourself ...
I am firmly convinced, those who have no assurance of salvation, and live a good, decent life, thinking it will get them to Heaven, will, with all their like minded brethren, experience exactly what you describe. That is my ex catholic YOPIOS. 👍👊😁🤣🤗😆☝️
I agree, but you left out one thing. Anyone who actually thinks that way, more than likely has one foot in the Lake of Fire already. They choose it, over Heaven. Why?👍
Try the following regarding James: IF one claims to be born again, claims to be faithing in Jesus BUT there are no changes in life behavior (the works part for arrogant Catholics striving to obtain eternal life), that one's pretend faith is dead. FAITH is an action of the will, directed by the spirit. If the spirit in you is dead, though you make great pretend at righteousness, the faith is dead. ONLY GOD can make the dead human spirit alive, with the seal of His Spirit upon the human spirit.Why? How can this describe what James is trying to convey? ... well, it is GOD Who is in the faither, both to will and to do of HIS good pleasure; so, if there is no evidence of HIM working to raise up the child of God in the way that they should go, then it is not GOD bringing forth the 'works of righteousness' thus it is the dust of a still dead spirit in evidence striving to produce faked righteousness. That kind of faithing sometimes spews froth as haughty arrogance.
When one is born from above, it is GOD, not your works or fealty to a sacramental trek, it is GOD WHO imputes the righteousness of Christ to the newborn member in the Body of Christ. Your paganized religion of Catholicism has the adherents believing the Catholic Church is infusing (like a slow drip of an IV) you with sufficient righteousness to deserve eternal life with God.
God created the human spirit as a thing with eternal existence. Alive or dead, your spirit is eternal, but HE honors your free will by applying The Righteousness of Christ to ONLY the souls who believe in and trust Christ alone for their deliverance from their dead spirit condition inherited from Adam.
The explanation is wasted on your ilk, so preideful in your haughty state. I repeat this with all the 'wordiness' as you call it because the passage in James is so misunderstood unless the process of being born again is understood, that new life comes first then the changes begin to manifest. If no changes manifest the faith proclaimed was dead faith, usually sourced in the pride of the lost (hint hint).
When I was a catholic, it was as you say, from the bar, to the confessional. I don’t do either anymore, the bar, or the confessional. 😁🤣🤗😂
But then you spit upon that offering calling it a strawman. Examine yourself ...
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Your post is totally contrary to all orthodox Christian teaching and is therefore seriously sinful. What you need to do is abandon all the silly nonsense you’ve absorbed from heretical charlatans, and instead simply attempt to conduct your life is accordance with the teachings of Jesus and his apostles as they are clearly presented throughout the Holy Scriptures. Failure to do so will, without question, ensure the loss of your salvation.
A liar has the hardest time seeing his own lies.
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You have finally expressed a true statement, and on this thread you yourself have perfectly exemplified just such a person!
Do you know ANY catholics who have assurance of salvation? I don’t know any, though there might be one or two, here and there. You know I live in the belly of the beast. Most of the Catholics I talk to, are very afraid to die. What does that tell you? See you in the clouds bro. 👍☝️👊
It appears you did not in fact read what was posted, so here it is again. Try reading it all this time:
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If James wanted to present the world with all this verbiage he would have done so. He preferred instead to speak plainly regarding the issue: Faith without works is DEAD. You find that offense, that’s your problem not mine! You can pray “Lord, Lord” until the day you die, but if you do not do the will of the Father as PLAINLY described throughout the Holy Scriptures you will never see heaven, period, end of story!
Remember that PRIDE goeth before the FALL (Prov 16:18).
I was in Wiesbaden for 4 years, during my 20 years in the USAF. I went across the Rhine, to a museum in Mainz, and saw the original Gutenberg Bible. It’s all under glass. You cannot touch it, but I saw it up close. 👍👊
maybe, but it was in the process of being written, thus existed, long before then......and it's still about 1,100 years before there was even one Protestant....
And the problem with that is...?????
The gospel is not complicated.
Believe and you'll be saved.
John 1:10-13 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him. He came to his own, and his own people did not receive him. But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
John 3:14-18 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
John 6:40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
John 11:25-26 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?”
John 20:30-31 Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
Acts 16:27-31 When the jailer woke and saw that the prison doors were open, he drew his sword and was about to kill himself, supposing that the prisoners had escaped. But Paul cried with a loud voice, “Do not harm yourself, for we are all here.” And the jailer called for lights and rushed in, and trembling with fear he fell down before Paul and Silas. Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
2 Corinthians 6:2 For he says, “In a favorable time I listened to you, and in a day of salvation I have helped you.” Behold, now is the favorable time; behold, now is the day of salvation.
Romans 10:9-13 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Religion make s salvation complicated and Roman Catholicism makes it even more complicated.
God made it easy enough for a child to do it and it cuts across cultural and intellectual lines. It's a message that can be understood by anyone, any where, at any time throughout history, literal or not, rich or poor. Doesn't matter..
That would be all of us.
Sinners, who are the unredeemed, do not inherit the kingdom.
Saints who sin, OTOH, do.
TC, you don’t construct a logical argument in these debates.
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