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Catholicism made me Protestant
First Things ^ | 9/11/2019 | Onsi A. Kamel

Posted on 09/11/2019 10:52:15 AM PDT by Gamecock

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To: Petrosius; ealgeone
Galatians 3:1-29 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?

Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

To give a human example, brothers: even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.

Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.

Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.

101 posted on 09/11/2019 8:05:42 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ZinGirl
Salvation IS a gift but it can be lost thru sin? Soooo...you have to earn it back?

Good question. Oh, no, they will assert! It is ALL because of God's grace, they will claim. BUT...if you can lose something (a gift) by your actions, how can they claim it is a gift or it's grace??? Grace means undeserved, unmerited, unearned, you can't work or DO anything to get a gift by grace. You receive a gift - God says you believe in what Christ has done for you and He imputes the righteousness of Jesus Christ to you, He clothes you in the robes of Christ's righteousness and not your own (because our own righteousnesses are filthy rags). Because we haven't yet died and gone to be with Him in heaven, we are still waiting. So if we can lose our salvation by sinning, then it can't be by grace we are saved. It's either grace OR works - not both. If it's grace, then it can't be by works because then grace wouldn't BE grace and vice versa (see Romans 11:6).

102 posted on 09/11/2019 8:14:16 PM PDT by boatbums (semper reformanda secundum verbum dei)
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To: Petrosius; MHGinTN
But remember, the sacraments are the works of God, not of man.

No, they are things that man must do to allegedly avail himself of God's grace.

That makes sacraments a work.

If it was God doing it, then He's just do it without man having to do anything to *merit* it.

103 posted on 09/11/2019 8:15:56 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: boatbums
“He who endures until the end will be saved” - Jesus
Hebrews 10 lays out the case of the importance of the state of your soul at death. Verse 26 says explicitly if one keeps sinning after Grace they fall under judgment. Taken as a whole, God condemns sinners period and will refuse unrepentant adulterers, fornicators, murderers, homosexuals, thieves, liars, etc... after being bestowed by Grace because again, God refuses those flaunting behaviors that are consistently condemned.
Gifts can be returned, again God is looking for those who display love and “treating others as you would want to be treated”.
104 posted on 09/11/2019 8:35:36 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: Petrosius; ZinGirl
If we have lost our salvation through serious sin...

If we can lose our salvation by sinning seriously, then how is that NOT saying we get salvation by avoiding sinning (aka, good works, being good, etc.)? In other words, you ARE saying we have to earn, deserve or merit salvation by what we do, or don't do. The "silly idea" is from the false and accursed gospel of Roman Catholicism.

105 posted on 09/11/2019 8:47:58 PM PDT by boatbums (semper reformanda secundum verbum dei)
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To: rollo tomasi

You have taken the words of Jesus, referri g to the end of the age (the seven years of ‘Jacob’s Trouble) and completely miss applied it. Wresting the Word of God to deceive is a grace sin.


106 posted on 09/11/2019 9:00:02 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN

A GRAVE SIN


107 posted on 09/11/2019 9:00:58 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: boatbums

Round and round... of course faith gets you saved, however, through life that you are living, you are being saved. Look at all those nifty commands Jesus taught. Do you actually think that was just for flavor? Jesus even said that yoke (Oh my, works) are east to bear.

Mathew 7: 22-23 says everyone must check themselves, oh gee, another work to figure out. Again, God has standards, David found that out after being His apple of God’s eye and was on his way of losing salvation unless he did a 180 fast.


108 posted on 09/11/2019 9:05:26 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: rollo tomasi

How many sins in your future IS God going to be surprised by? When God births one from above He imputes the Righteousness of Christ to them. He seals their spirit . Your reasoning implies God missed something of the future of the born again faither in Jesus and the Promise of God. Have you not read that HE knows the end from the begining?


109 posted on 09/11/2019 9:08:48 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN

According to you all, I am alright anyway since Grace can’t be lost. Btw, Mathew 10 dealt with several lessons to the Apostles. Verse 22 just reinforced and provided a good lesson to Peter and all of us.


110 posted on 09/11/2019 9:12:01 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: MHGinTN

Nope, just going by that free will concept. Even Paul doubted himself multiple times until he was close to death. Predestination is more a look through God’s perspective, not ours. Hence the whole list of behaviors that God hates.


111 posted on 09/11/2019 9:15:07 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: MHGinTN

Please explain how Mathew 10 applies towards Jacobs’ trouble? Grave sin indeed, lol.


112 posted on 09/11/2019 9:22:44 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: Rashputin

113 posted on 09/11/2019 9:37:15 PM PDT by boatbums (semper reformanda secundum verbum dei)
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To: rollo tomasi

Laugh, yes keep laughing. But do yourself the favor of not missusing the Words of Jesus. Learn to see passages in context, and be open to The Spirit’s instruction, even if it comes from someone you presume to laugh at. (See also Matthew 24 and Luke 21)


114 posted on 09/11/2019 9:38:26 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: rollo tomasi

Have you not read that He knows the end from the begining? His knowing does not remove your free will, it just sees it coming before you do.


115 posted on 09/11/2019 9:41:32 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: rollo tomasi
I don't think you actually read what I said, so I'll post it again:

If we can lose our salvation by sinning seriously, then how is that NOT saying we get salvation by avoiding sinning (aka, good works, being good, etc.)? In other words, you ARE saying we have to earn, deserve or merit salvation by what we do, or don't do. The "silly idea" is from the false and accursed gospel of Roman Catholicism.

Can you address that instead of mocking sarcasm?

116 posted on 09/11/2019 9:52:43 PM PDT by boatbums (semper reformanda secundum verbum dei)
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To: fidelis

It’s words that Luther added.


117 posted on 09/11/2019 10:03:40 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Antoninus

Pray for the return of the author to the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.


118 posted on 09/11/2019 10:07:21 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SaxxonWoods

You are still a Catholic. The marks of Baptism and Confirmation are on your soul.


119 posted on 09/11/2019 10:10:15 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: boatbums
So drink already instead of remaining a heretic.


120 posted on 09/12/2019 12:06:42 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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