Posted on 08/27/2019 5:04:08 PM PDT by ebb tide
Edited on 08/27/2019 5:58:29 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Whenever God does ANYTHING in this world, He is opposed and hated. Anything at all. If God makes His mark, here on Earth, either the Devil tries to wreck it, or Satan inspires his children to do so. This disdain for all creation and any constructive thing is an anti-Logos, pernicious spirit of ruin. This deep brand of hate is a religious way of thinking, and this feeling can be as shallow or go as deep as it wants. The hate I’m talking about can be a subtle inclination, or it can be an overt obsession. For example, you can be either a Soviet-minded Bolshevist, or you could simply be a vandalizer—you’re serving the Evil Cause in some capacity.
No one but me thinks this is problematic???
ALMOST no one but you...
“For the violence done to thy brother Jacob shame shall cover thee, And thou shalt be cut off for ever.”
Harley — the article doesn’t say one bad word about the Baptist church he came from. You are making a big leap in saying “I would suspect...” — we are not called to judge, especially when we know next to nothing about the author
Yes, you have Calvinists murdering Catholics, Catholics murdering Calvinists, Baptists murdering and being murdered by Calvinists, Anglicans persecuting puritans, etc. etc.
All have sinned - and seriously, raising this ruckus on a post where the article in question does not say one bad thing about the Baptist church that the author originally came from - why the entire animus?
still have no clue as to why you feel so demeaned by an organization that you so despise for not being what it is.
That you have no clue, despite the basis for the charge of demeaning being explained to you, simply provides more testimony to cognitive dissonance. Or sophistry.
When you read through the noise, you see that it is just noise. The gallery is worried
I think we may actually be living in the era of the
Triumph of the Immaculate Heart (see my homepage)
Penalty time is over and now it
seems every day or so another example
of brave men and women stepping up
and defending the Truth.
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I think we should just put the Church back in charge. They might boil us in oil and burn us at the stake, but heck, they only charge 10%!
You’re just stalling now.
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When I've been led toward one or another congregation in the past, aside from hats, kavorka, potluck, and personality, I've typically gone with doctrine (with a nudge from the Holy Spirit) as a criterion.
Not getting into specific doctrinal points here, though. Don't want to open a (ahem) can of Worms.
You seem to have missed "when I left Protestantism (I was Southern Baptist*) and I was looking for the True Church... It wasn’t the Baptists or the Pentecostals, and it wasn’t the Eastern Orthodox."
And thus based on his myopic blindness and erroneous reasoning of false equivalence, he not only even places Baptist etc, but even the EOs as not being the "True Church" (which unlike the Baptists or the Pentecostals, they also claim to be).
For in his own words he is a "Red Trad," one who asserts that the Catholic church has "lost all credibility in the public mind." In which "A large portion of our hierarchy has been screwing men. They’ve created a network of gay buddies, and they protect each other and promote each other. If investigators get too close to exposing their shenanigans, they could potentially get killed off by henchmen in a mafia run by sodomites." " We have a pope with close ties to the sodomite network who denounces investigators as detractors." "We can’t even go to confession with the confidence that we’ll be properly absolved. The authority of the priests has been taken hostage, and the world and most Catholics cannot understand this." "they’ve captured the dioceses by violence, and you are on the outside. They have the buildings, but you have the Apostolic Faith. They got those buildings, but they are outside the Faith." - http://forge-and-anvil.com/2019/02/24/stay-sane-during-the-sex-synod/
I am not saying his allegations are wrong, but just imagine what the reaction would be by many Catholics if one of us said those things. Still, unlike the SSPV types here, he at least affirms that pope Francis is the validly elected pope.
Yet this visible church is what Catholics want us to leave conservative evangelical fellowships and join, a perverse amalgamation of false teaching and false believers amid some that are true in both respects.
Actually, debate itself is not wrong, but having obtained a protected status by some means on FR, the issue is the seemingly compelled posting of provocative articles in advertising and promoting an elitist one true church on FR while being censorious of the challenges to it.
HE didn't find what he was looking for among Pentecostals or Baptists.
This was his personal searching - he doesn't say that either of them was wrong or evil, he points out his PERSONAL journey.
Rather, your responses are still displaying sophistry and illogic, cognitive dissonance, or avoidance.
Help me get this straight by answering a few very simple questions.
1) I(daniel1212) believe The Catholic Church is:
His One True Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church
Yes or No
2) I(daniel1212) feel that myself and / or others are demeaned by its claims that it is:
His One True Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church
Yes or No
3) I(daniel1212) feel:
a. I’am inside His One True Church
b. I’am outside of His One True Church
c. there is no such thing as His One True Church
4) I(daniel1212) believe that ___ Catholics are inside His One True Church
All, Some, No
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The atonement itself does not convert a person, but rather than heart-purifying faith being counted for righteousness, and thus the believer being accepted in the Beloved on His account and spiritually made to sit together with Him in Heaven, with immediate access into the holy of holies to meet with God, (Rm. 4:5; Eph. 1:6; 2:6; Heb. 10:19) so that all believers immediately go to be with the Lord at death or His return . (Phil 1:23; 2Cor. 5:8 [“we”]; Heb, 12:22,23; 1Cor. 15:51ff'; 1Thess. 4:17) And with the the only suffering after this life being that of the loss of rewards (and the Lord's revelation and disapproval) at the judgment seat of Christ, which one is saved despite the loss of, and which does not occur until the Lord's return and believers resurrection; (1Cor. 3:8ff; 4:5; 2Tim. 4:1,8; Rev.11:18; Mt. 25:31-46; 1Pt. 1:7; 5:4)
RC teaching is that baptism works "ex opere operato" - by the act itself/by virtue of the action - then the subject is regenerated - even if morally incognizant and thus incapable of the Biblical requirement of wholehearted repentant faith (Acts 2:38; 8:36,37)- though the baptizer (even a Prot) must have the proper basic intention of doing what the Church does, and form and matter, and the subject normally must have a proper disposition (and since one cannot know the hear of the minster, the recipient may doubt if the sacrament is real). In Rc teaching, anyone can baptize, but in general other Sacraments need a Bishop or a Priest.
And that this act thus renders the subject good enough to enter Heaven - formally justified by his own (infused) righteousness.
However, since his unholy sinful nature is all too alive and well, and is soon expressed, then unless he/she is one of the few to attain to the level of holiness of heart and character needed to see God in Heaven, then it is imagined that one (most all) much ensure purifying torments in mythical RC (the EOs tend to have a different version) Purgatory. See here for some documentation and further explanation, by the grace of God.
What if a person is on their way to the Church to be baptized and suddenly suffers a fatal heart attack before he can be baptized?
In such a case there is the contentious (some TradCaths reject it) teaching of "baptism by desire" in which the desire is counted for the act.
Rome allows for salvation without baptism through perfect contrition (contritio caritate perfecta, which, works ex opere operantis: Catholic Encyclopedia>Sanctifying Grace; http://www.ewtn.com/library/DOCTRINE/BAPTISM.TXT)
Christianity isn't worrying about Satan, demons, or bad people. Rather it is looking inside one self for our little foxes that spoil the vineyard. Like the repentant tax collector who recognized HIS sinfulness and cried out, "Be merciful to me."
It isn't a leap (big or small) to say that if he is complaining about others, then he might have a issue within himself. This isn't judging someone. It is merely stating an observation that his attitude doesn't square with what scripture is teaching. Paul had no problem telling the Corinthians about things that was not right understanding.
It's an open thread yet you're whining about censorship.
Have you no better a stance?
And what provokes you so much? The Truth?
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