Why Heretics Hate Mary and We Should Love Her More

One Peter Five ^ | August 5, 2019 | Timothy Flanders

[Roman_War_Criminal]

What a freaking straw man!...LOL!

Once upon a time a Pedophile priest raped altar boys repeatedly.
Happens everyday in Catholic churches around the world and hardly any get punished due to the cover-up of homosexual priests that run the program now.

Get real!

[af_vet_1981]

Eternal Security and assurance of salvation are problematic premises for men who put away their wives for younger women, or commit other forms of sexual abuse and porneia.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“Within a year he traded in his wife for the younger wife of another man and they married and continued his ministry as if nothing had happened (although they did have to leave the area and start up elsewhere). The pastor believed and taught Eternal Security, assurance of salvation too.”

1. A tragedy anytime it happens
2. I could tell this wasn’t a Catholic story because it didn’t involve priests and young children
3. Either his sins had ALL been paid for by Christ’s death.... or NONE are ever paid for.
4. If he was saved, he’s still saved - on the same basis
5. Randomly Generated Stories are never the basis Truth.

[northislander]

Never heard anyone claim to ‘hate Mary’...

[af_vet_1981]

Randomly Generated Stories are never the basis Truth.

Not randomly generated, and it is true. Grave sin by those professing eternal security and assurance of salvation is problematic. Those relying on those doctrinal teachings for salvation often settle on the position that those committing those sins were never saved to begin with, which cannot be very assuring to those sinners.

[MHGinTN]

How many lampstands show up in Heaven of the seven lampstands Jesus showed John in the first three chapters of The Revelation? You would do well to read the first three chapters of The Revelation, paying vlose attention to what Jesus’s verdict on each was. [Obtuse hint: seven lampstands in Heaven]

[Mark17]

LOL. I agree with RWC, that’s a straw man argument. You gave yourself away again bro. My opinion is, you have NO assurance of salvation, whatsoever. Somehow, I suspected that. 👊 I don’t know, maybe you aren’t interested in Heaven. If you are not, that’s on you bro. Check out my tagline. Read it and weep. 😁🤣👍 I am still more into my own YOPIOS than yours. 😂☝️

[af_vet_1981]

There are seven churches of the one holy catholic apostolic Church in Revelation with lamp stands in the scriptures proving they are genuine. Works are mentioned twelve times concerning the genuine churches, teaching for all who have ears to hear how important works are to the Messiah, as if He has not already said so in the Gospels.

[Mark17]

Never heard anyone claim to ‘hate Mary’...

No one claims that, except some people, involved in a certain religion, which will remain unnamed, but I think maybe you have it figured out. 😁😆😀👍 Of course, the real Mary of the Bible, is NOT the Mary of that certain religion. 👎

[MHGinTN]

FIRST, the seven churches have nothing to do with The Roman Catholic religion.

SECOND, the 'works' you seem to want to be proud of are not praise worthy in the majority of the gathering believers! That apparently went right over your head, or your coach is not giving you full disclosure.

THIRD, Jesus addresses the seven and that is all you need as evidence that they are genuine bodies of believers.

FOURTH, you completely missed the point of HIS lesson; the works are AFTER the believers are already alive forever more and THAT is why JESUS addresses the gatherings because they are in need of correction, not salvation. Now I realize that is a completely alien concept to a catholic steeped mind like yours, but the correction is not to get them 're-saved' it is to improve their strength IN THE FAMILY TO WHICH THEY ALREADY BELONG. How can I say that?... Their lampstand, even the Laodicean one, is in Heaven.

[Mark17]

Get a grip bro. Has anyone said that works are not important in a Christian’s life? Where your 1st Corinthians 2:14 problem comes in, if I read you right, and I think I do, since I am an ex catholic is, I believe you think your salvation is caused by your works. My YOPIOS, which is, shall we say, a tad bit more accurate, is that my salvation results in good works, but my good works do not cause it. I like that better. If you don’t, that’s on you bro. Not my problem. 😁🤣👍

[Mark17]

Eternal Security and assurance of salvation are problematic premises for men who put away their wives for younger women, or commit other forms of sexual abuse and porneia.

You mean like those priests? I wonder if any of them have assurance of salvation? 😁 If you don’t have any assurance of salvation, sorry about that. I am wondering where you will spend eternity? Hard to say, huh bro?
I have no doubt some truly saved people have fallen into the sin you described. I don’t believe they lose their salvation, but they doggone better lose their ministry. Good Christian discipline will kick them out in their ear. If they don’t, they have no credibility, and I would find a new place to worship. The Catholic Church, on the other hand, moves the guilty people around. A bit of a conundrum no? 😁😆☝️ Read my tagline and weep bro.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“FIRST, the seven churches have nothing to do with The Roman Catholic religion.

Glad to hear yo recognize Christianity predated Catholicism.

Progress.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Oops wrong post!

[MHGinTN]

Two of the seven churches / gathering body of believers were not rebuked, five were. ALL were peopled by born again sinners. All needed the Father's 'raising them up in the way that they should go', some much more than others.

The most rebuked was the body of believers in Laodicea. They had everything of need, were comfy and fruitless. The distractions of the material world held their attention. Sound familiar to the present age?

If you doubt that the Father wants to chastise His children and does so, such that a born from above CHRISTIAN cannot persist in sin without chastisement, read Titus 2 beginning at verse 11.

[MHGinTN]

Then after reading chapter 2 verses 11 - 15, go on to read what PAUL teaches regarding works in chapter 3. You might notice the cause and effect difference between what Paul wrote and what the Roman Catholic and many Protestant denominations teach regarding works.

[af_vet_1981]

1. The seven churches each had a golden candlestick in heaven. There were churches in one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church which is the body of the Messiah.
2. The word "works" was used by the Messiah twelve times in speaking to these churches. His message is important. He warned the church at Ephesus to repent and do the first works or else He will come quickly and will remove their candlestick out of his place, except they repent. He that has an ear should listen to what the Spirit says to the churches.
3. Given the standard that an address to a church is evidence that the church is genuine, the church(es) of Rome are genuine.
4. The Messiah threatened to kill Jezebel at Thyatira, who called herself a prophetess, and her children with death. He said all the churches (sounds catholic) shall know that He searches the reins and hearts and will give unto every one according to one's works.
   
   He told the church at Sardis that only the one who overcomes shall be clothed in white raiment, and He will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but will confess his name before the Father, and before his angels, implying the one who does not overcome will be blotted out of the book of life. This was not a message of Once Saved, Always Saved. If one can be killed by the Messiah, or blotted out of the book of life, it does not bode well for the servant who does not heed the Lord's warning to repent and do the first works.
   
   Someone may say, but the warning to Laodicea was only to be spit out of the Messiah's mouth, as if that lends itself to Once Saved, Always Saved. He is rebuking and chastening in love, but one must obey (repent and be zealous) or else.
   
   Given the premise that the lamp stand of the church of the Laodiceans remained in heaven (for it is not written that it did not), one can then assume that the lamp stands for all the churches of the one holy catholic apostolic Church remain in heaven (for they were mentioned in the scriptures and it is not written otherwise). However, it would be erroneous to assume that all of the Christians of those churches overcame, were not spit out of the Messiah's mouth and blotted out of the book of life. There are too many warnings in the Gospels and Epistles to support that view.

[metmom]

Search the word “father” in the Epistles. Paul uses it God-pleasingly and succinctly.

But not as a title as Jesus instructed in the context of the Matthew passage.

[metmom]

That is clearly an error. It denies His very words, "Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother!"

*thy* is singular and as Jesus was talking only to John, there's no reason to think that more was meant than John was to care for Mary.

Reading more into it is either grasping at straws or wishful thinking.

[metmom]

Details, details, those pesky facts.