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Why Heretics Hate Mary and We Should Love Her More
One Peter Five ^ | August 5, 2019 | Timothy Flanders

Posted on 08/07/2019 3:20:08 PM PDT by ebb tide

Why Heretics Hate Mary and We Should Love Her More

Marian devotion is the cure for heresy and the healing of all heretics. We must turn to her for refuge from the heretical depravity now consuming the Church. Marian devotion is the destruction of error, the fount of humility, and a potent safeguard for orthodox faith.

Mary Is the Destroyer of All Heresies

In True Devotion to Mary, St. Louis de Montfort writes:

The most infallible and indubitable sign by which we may distinguish a heretic, a man of bad doctrine, a reprobate, from one of the predestinate, is that the heretic and the reprobate have nothing but contempt and indifference for our Blessed Lady, endeavoring by their words and examples to diminish the veneration and love of her. (30)

In the Tract for the Mass Salve Sancta Parens, the Church sings, “Rejoice, O Virgin Mary, thou alone hast destroyed all heresies.” From this, Pope St. Pius X invoked her as “Destroyer of Heresies” in Pascendi 58. And again, it was in the context of St. Dominic’s war against heresy that the Holy Rosary, Mary’s psalter, was revealed.

Thus, it is manifest that Our Lady holds a special place in the relationship of Holy Church with heresy and heretics. Why is this? It is because the root cause of heresy is not anger, lust, or sloth, but pride. A formal heretic pridefully and obstinately rejects the authority of the Church and the authority of the Fathers. His whole opinion hinges on an imaginary antiquarianism created by his pride. And it is against the sin of pride that Our Lady most perfectly shows her power. This is why St. Louis says in another place:

[Satan] fears her not only more than all Angels and men, but in some sense more than God Himself … because Satan, being proud, suffers infinitely more from being beaten and punished by a little and humble handmaid of God, and her humility humbles him more than the Divine power. (True Devotion, 52)

Demons and heretics fear her because she threatens to humble them. The latter impiously attack her under the pretense that they are safeguarding the honor due to God. In reality, they know that Mary will destroy their prideful opinions. “Humility is an abomination to the proud ” (Ecclus. 13:24).

How Mary Humbles the Proud

When the Holy Spirit exalted Mary by the mouth of St. Elizabeth, Mary said:

He hath shewed might in his arm: he hath scattered the proud in the conceit of their heart. He hath put down the mighty from their seat and hath exalted the humble. (Lk. 1:51)

Devotion to Mary brings humility to the soul. Just as St. John heard her voice and leaped for joy, and St. Elizabeth immediately humbled herself, saying “Who am I that the mother of my Lord should come to me?” (Lk. 1:43), we too know this humility when we exalt Mary.

Mary humbles us because God wills that Jesus Christ be manifested to the world through her. According to nature, any man is her equal. According to grace and merit, she is “more honorable than the cherubim, and beyond compare more glorious than the Seraphim” [1]. In Mary, our humility is truly tested because she is a human, not God.

Humility toward God is presumed by all, and heretics falsely think themselves humble because they say they submit to God. But their pride is revealed when they refuse to submit to man — both legitimate authority and the sayings of the wise. “The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that is wise hearkeneth unto counsels” (Prov. 12:15).

A humble man may even debase himself before wicked men, as our Lord did.  But heretics have no humility toward men. In reality, heretics are attempting to impose their private opinion on all authorities. They have no humility toward any human but are consumed in their own selves. As the history of Protestantism has shown, it is easy to feign humility toward God while exalting yourself over every man. This is the way of all the heretics.

One who is humble toward Mary will be humble toward authority. Mary especially checks the pride of heretics by proclaiming that they cannot have their own private, “personal Jesus,” since our Lord has forever bound Himself to His mother by His incarnation. In the same way that the Incarnation is the foundation of our redemption — without which there can be no Passion or Resurrection — the human person of Jesus Christ cannot exist without the person of Mary [2]. As I have written in another place, true union with Christ will result in love of Mary as our mother, who was also the first natural cause of His appearance to the world.

Marian Devotion is a test for orthodoxy

Since Marian Devotion is the fount of humility, it becomes a powerful test for orthodoxy. For example, when St. John Vianney’s lack of intelligence presented a barrier to his ordination, he was evaluated like this:

The vicar-general asked the superior of the seminary: ‘Is young Vianney pious? Is he devoted to the Blessed Virgin?’ The authorities were able to assure him fully upon these points. ‘Then,’ said the vicar-general, ‘I will receive him. Divine grace will do the rest.’ [3]

And so the Church ordained the future patron of parish priests. Sometimes it is as simple as asking if a man has Marian devotion. If a man is truly devoted to our Lady, he can be no heretic. St. Louis again:

“If you follow her,” says St. Bernard, “you cannot wander from the road.” Fear not, therefore, that a true child of Mary can be deceived by the evil one, or fall into any formal heresy. There where the guidance of Mary is, neither the evil spirit with his illusions, nor the heretics with their subtleties, can ever come — Ipsa tenente, non corruis. (True Devotion, 209) [4]

Thus, it is unsurprising that when we read through Building a Bridge by James Martin, S.J., a book purported to be about mercy and compassion, not a single page mentions the Mother of mercy and compassion. In fact, on page 130, he even erroneously asserts that at the Resurrection, Mary Magdalene was the first Christian, implicitly denying our Lady and the entire tradition of her Saturday memorial in which her sole faithfulness is commemorated. The examples of his warped or deficient Marian piety are only too easy to find [5].

But it is even more disturbing when we read how the Rhine group at Vatican II successfully suppressed the document on the Mother of God, relegating it, by a narrow vote, to the final section in Lumen Gentium (against the protests from Eastern Catholic bishops and others) [6]. When their efforts to suppress Marian devotion were opposed by Paul VI (to his credit), the time became known to them as “Black Week” [7]. Perhaps more alarming, Ratzinger himself admits that his Marian piety was weak in Last Testament and seems to imply the false dichotomy that Marian piety is not Christocentric [8]. Without succumbing to the sin of rash judgment, it is nevertheless suggestive that this lack of Marian piety correlates with an apparent hubris on the part of many Vatican II “reformers.”

Whatever the true state of these and other men with an apparent reluctance to love and honor their own mother, we can be certain that our Blessed Lady is a sure refuge from heresy. As Fr. Ripperger has stated, without a strong intellectual formation, everyone becomes a Modernist in our corrupt society. That is why we must cling to Our Lady for refuge from heretics and heresy in our time.

True devotion to Mary keeps us safe from the excesses of pride. Even more in our day, let us consider: she stood firm, though she witnessed the Passion and death of our Lord. We also must stand firm, even as we are witnessing the passion and death of the Church. Moreover, it seems clear from her frequent apparitions since the 19th century that Our Lord has purposed His mother for a special role in resolving this crisis. Let us pray our daily rosary and make the First Saturdays. Let us abide with Our Lady in the Passion of the Church and never lose hope for the Glorious Resurrection.


[1] Eastern Catholic Marian antiphon

[2] So too the mediation of the Sacraments — through another human — we receive our Lord.

[3] The Life of Saint John Vianney, The Curé of Ars, ch. 1

[4] It should be noted that Marian devotion is not an infallible test for orthodoxy, but merely a general rule against which there can be significant exceptions. Some Protestants, although material heretics, are in fact humble, and some Catholics are orthodox with little or no Marian piety. However, no man can be truly devoted to Our Lady and be a heretic. Moreover, formal heresy is defined as an error in the intellect and an obstinate will. It is particularly the latter from which Mary keeps us safe.

[5] I refuse to expose the reader to any further abuse of Our Lady from James Martin. Suffice it to say I have searched in vain for a substantial treatment or promotion of Marian devotion from Martin, and he admits in My Life with the Saints, p. 345ff., that his Marian devotion, which was shallow in his youth, was formed by the Jesuits as an imitation model, not the traditional, primarily mediatrix role. If his Marian devotion does go beyond sentimentality, let him publicly and explicitly disavow every heresy of which he is accused.

[6] See Rev. Ralph Wiltgen, The Rhine Flows into the Tiber (Augustine, 1979), 90ff.

[7] See Ibid., 234ff. The Rhine group was opposing Paul VI’s honoring of our Lady as “Mother of the Church” as well as his actions regarding collegiality, religious liberty, and ecumenism.

[8] See Benedict XVI, Last Testament, trans. Jacob Phillips (Bloomsbury, 2016), 70ff. As I have read more into Ratzinger, despite his obvious strengths, more of his theology has concerned me. This point was another red flag


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To: Al Hitan
And you do know other Catholic rites allow married priests?

How kind of them.

So much for UNITY!

801 posted on 08/11/2019 5:39:25 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Guess.....


802 posted on 08/11/2019 5:46:46 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: Al Hitan

... of course the New Testament says elders should be the husband of one wife- and lays down no requirements for priests, since there are no priests as a church office.

Blessed Saint Luther not only read the Book, but he translated it, taught it, and wrote commentaries about it.

He knew.


803 posted on 08/11/2019 5:48:38 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Al Hitan

Pot. kettle.

By the way your infallible magisterium requires you to submit to and obey your pope. And Francis is your duly elected pope elected through the process your magisterium has set up. So go obey Francis and if you criticize him here you are admitting your doctrine is wrong.


804 posted on 08/11/2019 6:00:19 AM PDT by Mom MD
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To: metmom
If they want to be a priest they are.

No they aren't forced. It is a choice they make. Also, my Catholic pastor is married.

And I personally know men who had to leave the priesthood because they wanted to get married.

Oh, I thought you said they were forced to be celibate, but here you say they chose not to be. Get your story straight.

The Orthodox.

Yes, they do, but I was talking about other Catholic rites. I know it can be difficult for former Catholics to differentiate.

805 posted on 08/11/2019 6:11:57 AM PDT by Al Hitan
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To: Mom MD
By the way your infallible magisterium requires you to submit to and obey your pope.

I don't have to submit to his opinions.

So go obey Francis and if you criticize him here you are admitting your doctrine is wrong.

I'm not aware of any doctrine Francis has instituted.

806 posted on 08/11/2019 6:15:10 AM PDT by Al Hitan
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To: Luircin
LOL, looks like I pricked your ego good and hard.

You give yourself much undeserved credit.

Pride is a sin.

So, is presumption.

807 posted on 08/11/2019 6:19:14 AM PDT by Al Hitan
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To: Al Hitan

Well, at least you didn’t copy-paste a screed from www.ihatelutheranswithahothothate.com.org this time.

Yes, presumption is a sin, and Roman Catholicism is guilty of it. Presumption is trying to put yourself in God’s place and take God’s judgment from him.

And the Lord has said that we can have assurance from him of our salvation. That’s his judgement.

Roman Catholicism, however, is eager to call God a liar and undo his judgements.


808 posted on 08/11/2019 6:38:56 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: Luircin
Well, at least you didn’t copy-paste a screed from www.ihatelutheranswithahothothate.com.org this time.

I never have. Everything I post about Lutherans is from Lutheran websites. Sorry it hurts so much.

Yes, presumption is a sin, and Roman Catholicism is guilty of it.

You guys did better when you believed in the perpetual virginity of the Mother of God. But I guess the "sex is evil" mantra you cite must have changed their mind.

Roman Catholicism, however, is eager to call God a liar and undo his judgements.

You worship a weak god if you think we have the ability to undo his judgements. Come to the one true God.

809 posted on 08/11/2019 6:49:55 AM PDT by Al Hitan
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To: Luircin

The LCMS still refer to the virgin Mary as Mother of God, don’t they? Or has that changed, too? It’s hard to keep up with all the frequent revisions going on within Lutheranism.


810 posted on 08/11/2019 7:01:51 AM PDT by Al Hitan
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To: Al Hitan

Already know Him thanks. He knows me and calls me daughter and tells me it is His good pleasure to give me the kingdom. I am looking forward to meeting Him face to face in Heaven as I have total assurance I will. I hope you meet my Daddy one day. He is awesome


811 posted on 08/11/2019 7:20:02 AM PDT by Mom MD
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To: Elsie
You may be interested in a little more knowledge of early church belief and practice with regard to the Blessed Virgin Mary.

The first thing is, this is not "slavish veneration" -- it's "veneration."

The accompanying adjectives have shifted over the centuries --- never rightly understood, I think, unless you understand the veneration we have for "all the Saints", as brothers and sisters in Christ, as members of His Body, as image and likeness and holy children of God, as temples of the Holy Spirit.

If people truly understood how much veneration we should rightly give each other, there would be no surprise at the affection and reverence we have for the mother of Our Lord.

emphasizing our relationship with Mary as her children in the Church (John 19:26-27, and, by the same author, Rev. 12:17), emphasizing her role as mother of the King (Queen Mother), emphasizing the way she shared in Christ's Passion by her empathy, as foretold in prophecy (Luke 2:35), and I suppose the Louis de Montfort emphasized our being servants of the handmaid, using the word "slave"-- but none of this, including the latter, is to be pared down to merely slavish practice (we understand the dignity of being, like her, servants and handmaids as well.)

You can't find a century in the history of the Church in which Mary was NOT venerated.

812 posted on 08/11/2019 7:49:32 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Therefore stand fast and hold the traditions you were taught, by word or by our epistle.2 Thess.2:15)
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To: Al Hitan

Your buttons are so easy to push, even when I’m not even trying.

Don’t care what you’re copy-pasting from some other site that caters to the spiritual vanity of Roman Catholics. I prefer to take God at his word over Roman fatuism that calls our Lord a liar, thanks.


813 posted on 08/11/2019 8:06:17 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: Elsie
Getting back to your sincere interest in the veneration of Mary in the early Church:

You can find a LOT of historic indications of the already-existing veneration of Mary carried on from the days of the Apostolic Church as manifested in the Roman catacombs. A good writer on this, to whom I am indebted, is Mark Miravalle, but googling and searching Amazon.com would turn up more --- for your interest.

As early as the end of the first century to the first half of the second century, Mary is depicted in frescos in the Roman catacombs both with and without her divine Son. Mary is depicted as a model of virginity with her Son; at the Annunciation; at the adoration of the Magi; and as the orans, the "praying one," the woman of prayer.

Here's a little taste of the subject of our Christian original/primitive as evidenced in the catacombs.

One catacomb fresco found in the catacombs of St. Agnes depicts Mary situated between St. Peter and St. Paul with her arms outstretched to both. This fresco reflects, in the language of Christian frescoes, the earliest symbol of Mary as "Mother of the Church."

Whenever St. Peter and St. Paul are shown together, it is symbolic of the one Church of Christ, a Church of authority and evangelization, a Church for both Jew and Gentile. Mary's prominent position between Sts. Peter and Paul illustrates the recognition by the Apostolic Church of the maternal centrality of the Savior's Mother in his young Church.

You can see from the number and locations of depictions of the Mother of Jesus hat she was also recognized for her maternal intercession of protection and defense. Her image was present on tombs, as well as on the large central vaults of the catacombs. Clearly, the early 1st-3rd century Christians dwelling in the catacombs prayed to Mary as intercessor to her Son for special protection and for motherly assistance. As early as the first century to the first half of the second century, Mary's role as Spiritual Mother was recognized and her protective intercession was invoked.

This cannot be understood outside the the reality of the Communion of Saints, of which Mary is a member, not the Head!

From what I've read, I've seen that Christians of the various affiliations tned to support the doctrine of the Communion of Saints (which is another way of expressing the Body of Christ) and which is an article of the Apostles' Creed, the earliest Creed we know from our Christian history, probably in the 2nd century (100's AD).

The Evangelical Dictionary of Theology has this:

"The traditional, and probably the best, interpretation refers the phrase to the union of all believers, living or dead, in Christ, stressing their common life in Christ and their sharing of all the blessings of God." Evidence for Christianity oif NAY sort in the first 3 centuries is a little scant, due to the Church's status as a movement which was usually illegal, sporadically persecuted, and often hidden and underground (literally, in the case of the catacombs.) But you will neve find an era, anywhere, that was Mary-less, let alone one which criticized devotion to Mary and the Saints.

> It's fascinating, it's beautiful, and as I said, it's historically uncontradicted.
814 posted on 08/11/2019 8:25:08 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Therefore stand fast and hold the traditions you were taught, by word or by our epistle.2 Thess.2:15)
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To: Luircin
Your buttons are so easy to push, even when I’m not even trying.

Again, you give yourself much undeserved credit.

Roman fatuism

Speak English often?

Since you've been reduced to responding with insults, I guess it's time to head out. The cohos are running.

815 posted on 08/11/2019 8:35:51 AM PDT by Al Hitan
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To: Al Hitan

When the organization that won’t even remove people who rape children from its own priesthood stops calling God a liar, we can talk.

Til then, talk to the rubber chicken.


816 posted on 08/11/2019 8:41:02 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: Luircin
Til then, talk to the rubber chicken.

The rubber chicken is the one who claimed that those who believe in the perpetual virginity of the Mother of God is because they believe "sex is evil". The rubber chicken didn't know it was condemning its own church.

817 posted on 08/11/2019 8:46:29 AM PDT by Al Hitan
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To: Elsie
Oh, my stars and garters.

I must say you've got more guts than sense in trying to line up St. Augustine, of all people, to defend a Scripture-only position.

Do you actually know anything about Augustine? He expounded both subsets of Tradition --- both the written (Scripture) and the unwritten (that which was powerfully conveyed by preaching and by practice).

This is why he was a convert who became Catholic, and is considered, himself, a Father of the Church.

Allow yourself the swiftest, one-eye-closed-and-one-eye-peeking view, of what Augustine actually wrote and taught about:

Luther, who knew quite a bit about Augustine's writings, didn't always agree, but always honored and appreciated him.

If you knew as much as Luther, you'd see how silly it is to carefully fish out a two-sentence Augustine snippet and try to portray him as a "sola" guy.

818 posted on 08/11/2019 8:57:04 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Therefore stand fast and hold the traditions you were taught, by word or by our epistle.2 Thess.2:15)
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To: Elsie

The creating of the embryo can and is done in a petri dish. The conceiving happens in the uterus of the mother to the embryo.


819 posted on 08/11/2019 9:03:55 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Oh the irony of you chastising over careful snipping out of two sentences to support a specious argument. Double-mindedness seems to be a hallmark of high Catholic ...


820 posted on 08/11/2019 9:13:44 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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