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Why Heretics Hate Mary and We Should Love Her More
One Peter Five ^ | August 5, 2019 | Timothy Flanders

Posted on 08/07/2019 3:20:08 PM PDT by ebb tide

Why Heretics Hate Mary and We Should Love Her More

Marian devotion is the cure for heresy and the healing of all heretics. We must turn to her for refuge from the heretical depravity now consuming the Church. Marian devotion is the destruction of error, the fount of humility, and a potent safeguard for orthodox faith.

Mary Is the Destroyer of All Heresies

In True Devotion to Mary, St. Louis de Montfort writes:

The most infallible and indubitable sign by which we may distinguish a heretic, a man of bad doctrine, a reprobate, from one of the predestinate, is that the heretic and the reprobate have nothing but contempt and indifference for our Blessed Lady, endeavoring by their words and examples to diminish the veneration and love of her. (30)

In the Tract for the Mass Salve Sancta Parens, the Church sings, “Rejoice, O Virgin Mary, thou alone hast destroyed all heresies.” From this, Pope St. Pius X invoked her as “Destroyer of Heresies” in Pascendi 58. And again, it was in the context of St. Dominic’s war against heresy that the Holy Rosary, Mary’s psalter, was revealed.

Thus, it is manifest that Our Lady holds a special place in the relationship of Holy Church with heresy and heretics. Why is this? It is because the root cause of heresy is not anger, lust, or sloth, but pride. A formal heretic pridefully and obstinately rejects the authority of the Church and the authority of the Fathers. His whole opinion hinges on an imaginary antiquarianism created by his pride. And it is against the sin of pride that Our Lady most perfectly shows her power. This is why St. Louis says in another place:

[Satan] fears her not only more than all Angels and men, but in some sense more than God Himself … because Satan, being proud, suffers infinitely more from being beaten and punished by a little and humble handmaid of God, and her humility humbles him more than the Divine power. (True Devotion, 52)

Demons and heretics fear her because she threatens to humble them. The latter impiously attack her under the pretense that they are safeguarding the honor due to God. In reality, they know that Mary will destroy their prideful opinions. “Humility is an abomination to the proud ” (Ecclus. 13:24).

How Mary Humbles the Proud

When the Holy Spirit exalted Mary by the mouth of St. Elizabeth, Mary said:

He hath shewed might in his arm: he hath scattered the proud in the conceit of their heart. He hath put down the mighty from their seat and hath exalted the humble. (Lk. 1:51)

Devotion to Mary brings humility to the soul. Just as St. John heard her voice and leaped for joy, and St. Elizabeth immediately humbled herself, saying “Who am I that the mother of my Lord should come to me?” (Lk. 1:43), we too know this humility when we exalt Mary.

Mary humbles us because God wills that Jesus Christ be manifested to the world through her. According to nature, any man is her equal. According to grace and merit, she is “more honorable than the cherubim, and beyond compare more glorious than the Seraphim” [1]. In Mary, our humility is truly tested because she is a human, not God.

Humility toward God is presumed by all, and heretics falsely think themselves humble because they say they submit to God. But their pride is revealed when they refuse to submit to man — both legitimate authority and the sayings of the wise. “The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that is wise hearkeneth unto counsels” (Prov. 12:15).

A humble man may even debase himself before wicked men, as our Lord did.  But heretics have no humility toward men. In reality, heretics are attempting to impose their private opinion on all authorities. They have no humility toward any human but are consumed in their own selves. As the history of Protestantism has shown, it is easy to feign humility toward God while exalting yourself over every man. This is the way of all the heretics.

One who is humble toward Mary will be humble toward authority. Mary especially checks the pride of heretics by proclaiming that they cannot have their own private, “personal Jesus,” since our Lord has forever bound Himself to His mother by His incarnation. In the same way that the Incarnation is the foundation of our redemption — without which there can be no Passion or Resurrection — the human person of Jesus Christ cannot exist without the person of Mary [2]. As I have written in another place, true union with Christ will result in love of Mary as our mother, who was also the first natural cause of His appearance to the world.

Marian Devotion is a test for orthodoxy

Since Marian Devotion is the fount of humility, it becomes a powerful test for orthodoxy. For example, when St. John Vianney’s lack of intelligence presented a barrier to his ordination, he was evaluated like this:

The vicar-general asked the superior of the seminary: ‘Is young Vianney pious? Is he devoted to the Blessed Virgin?’ The authorities were able to assure him fully upon these points. ‘Then,’ said the vicar-general, ‘I will receive him. Divine grace will do the rest.’ [3]

And so the Church ordained the future patron of parish priests. Sometimes it is as simple as asking if a man has Marian devotion. If a man is truly devoted to our Lady, he can be no heretic. St. Louis again:

“If you follow her,” says St. Bernard, “you cannot wander from the road.” Fear not, therefore, that a true child of Mary can be deceived by the evil one, or fall into any formal heresy. There where the guidance of Mary is, neither the evil spirit with his illusions, nor the heretics with their subtleties, can ever come — Ipsa tenente, non corruis. (True Devotion, 209) [4]

Thus, it is unsurprising that when we read through Building a Bridge by James Martin, S.J., a book purported to be about mercy and compassion, not a single page mentions the Mother of mercy and compassion. In fact, on page 130, he even erroneously asserts that at the Resurrection, Mary Magdalene was the first Christian, implicitly denying our Lady and the entire tradition of her Saturday memorial in which her sole faithfulness is commemorated. The examples of his warped or deficient Marian piety are only too easy to find [5].

But it is even more disturbing when we read how the Rhine group at Vatican II successfully suppressed the document on the Mother of God, relegating it, by a narrow vote, to the final section in Lumen Gentium (against the protests from Eastern Catholic bishops and others) [6]. When their efforts to suppress Marian devotion were opposed by Paul VI (to his credit), the time became known to them as “Black Week” [7]. Perhaps more alarming, Ratzinger himself admits that his Marian piety was weak in Last Testament and seems to imply the false dichotomy that Marian piety is not Christocentric [8]. Without succumbing to the sin of rash judgment, it is nevertheless suggestive that this lack of Marian piety correlates with an apparent hubris on the part of many Vatican II “reformers.”

Whatever the true state of these and other men with an apparent reluctance to love and honor their own mother, we can be certain that our Blessed Lady is a sure refuge from heresy. As Fr. Ripperger has stated, without a strong intellectual formation, everyone becomes a Modernist in our corrupt society. That is why we must cling to Our Lady for refuge from heretics and heresy in our time.

True devotion to Mary keeps us safe from the excesses of pride. Even more in our day, let us consider: she stood firm, though she witnessed the Passion and death of our Lord. We also must stand firm, even as we are witnessing the passion and death of the Church. Moreover, it seems clear from her frequent apparitions since the 19th century that Our Lord has purposed His mother for a special role in resolving this crisis. Let us pray our daily rosary and make the First Saturdays. Let us abide with Our Lady in the Passion of the Church and never lose hope for the Glorious Resurrection.


[1] Eastern Catholic Marian antiphon

[2] So too the mediation of the Sacraments — through another human — we receive our Lord.

[3] The Life of Saint John Vianney, The Curé of Ars, ch. 1

[4] It should be noted that Marian devotion is not an infallible test for orthodoxy, but merely a general rule against which there can be significant exceptions. Some Protestants, although material heretics, are in fact humble, and some Catholics are orthodox with little or no Marian piety. However, no man can be truly devoted to Our Lady and be a heretic. Moreover, formal heresy is defined as an error in the intellect and an obstinate will. It is particularly the latter from which Mary keeps us safe.

[5] I refuse to expose the reader to any further abuse of Our Lady from James Martin. Suffice it to say I have searched in vain for a substantial treatment or promotion of Marian devotion from Martin, and he admits in My Life with the Saints, p. 345ff., that his Marian devotion, which was shallow in his youth, was formed by the Jesuits as an imitation model, not the traditional, primarily mediatrix role. If his Marian devotion does go beyond sentimentality, let him publicly and explicitly disavow every heresy of which he is accused.

[6] See Rev. Ralph Wiltgen, The Rhine Flows into the Tiber (Augustine, 1979), 90ff.

[7] See Ibid., 234ff. The Rhine group was opposing Paul VI’s honoring of our Lady as “Mother of the Church” as well as his actions regarding collegiality, religious liberty, and ecumenism.

[8] See Benedict XVI, Last Testament, trans. Jacob Phillips (Bloomsbury, 2016), 70ff. As I have read more into Ratzinger, despite his obvious strengths, more of his theology has concerned me. This point was another red flag


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To: ravenwolf

I’m old but not old enough to have written Scripture.


421 posted on 08/09/2019 5:30:46 AM PDT by Mom MD
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To: ravenwolf

All have sinned and fallen short. That pesky scripture again.....


422 posted on 08/09/2019 5:32:12 AM PDT by Mom MD
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To: Mark17

2nd Time?
By that you mean they had already rebelled with Lucifer and began taking human women as ‘wives’ - in great violation on divine laws?


423 posted on 08/09/2019 6:02:19 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Like Enoch, Noah, & Lot, the True Church will soon be removed & then destruction comes forth.)
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To: Mark17

Which brings us back to the question I posed awhile back that not many even in the pulpits probably ever consider:

Will there be future rebellions post-millennium?
God is bound to create other beings into Eternity, remember He is infinite and if it has happened in the past, it could very well happen in the future.
I have shutdown Bible Studies with that question because it stirs all sorts on angst.


424 posted on 08/09/2019 6:14:35 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Like Enoch, Noah, & Lot, the True Church will soon be removed & then destruction comes forth.)
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To: Mark17

A good thorough reading of Romans 8 proves this beyond a doubt.

OSAS. Some folks can feel free to disagree. A true Saved By The Blood of Jesus Saint will have the most awful existence if they continue living in sin. That much is true.


425 posted on 08/09/2019 6:25:28 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Like Enoch, Noah, & Lot, the True Church will soon be removed & then destruction comes forth.)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
God is bound to create other beings into Eternity,...

Why?

...remember He is infinite and if it has happened in the past, it could very well happen in the future.

With God there is no past and no future. Eternity is timelessness.

Time didn't start until "the first day" in Genesis.

426 posted on 08/09/2019 6:38:12 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: MDLION
Salvation is simple?

Yes, salvation is simple.

By grace through faith.

Believe on Him, put your trust in Him and that's all that is required.

John 1:10-13 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him. He came to his own, and his own people did not receive him. But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

John 3:3-8 Jesus answered him,“Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?” Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

John 3:14-18 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

John 6:40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

John 11:25-26 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

Acts 16:27-31 When the jailer woke and saw that the prison doors were open, he drew his sword and was about to kill himself, supposing that the prisoners had escaped. But Paul cried with a loud voice, “Do not harm yourself, for we are all here.” And the jailer called for lights and rushed in, and trembling with fear he fell down before Paul and Silas. Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”

Romans 10:9-13 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

427 posted on 08/09/2019 6:39:26 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: MDLION
Paul tells us to work out our salvation in fear and trembling. If salvation simply consists of pronouncing a formula, why the fear and trembling?

Do you honestly think God wants us scared all the time, to live in fear?

Is that the kind of God you serve?

*Working out your salvation* is the process of sanctification where the believer, who is already saved, grows to become more and more like Christ.

That process takes time and effort.

But the salvation does not.

428 posted on 08/09/2019 6:41:44 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: ShadowAce

You are correct that from our stand point ‘time’ didn’t exist until Day 1 Genesis, however there is a continuum that exists outside of this reality. Probably not measurable with our time standards.
Otherwise, everything would happen at one time.
He uses the word forever in Revelation to describe several future events.

As to “why”?
You can’t box God in. He will do what He will do. Possibilities are endless.


429 posted on 08/09/2019 6:43:16 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Like Enoch, Noah, & Lot, the True Church will soon be removed & then destruction comes forth.)
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To: Iscool
That's why the Catholic religion is NOT the church of the scriptures...You can't reject and deny the scriptures and then claim the church in the scriptures points to you...

Bears repeating......

430 posted on 08/09/2019 6:47:44 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
You can’t box God in. He will do what He will do. Possibilities are endless.

That is true. However, there are quite a few things we are not meant to know until we are with Him. Don't worry about it as His extra-terrestrial actions do not affect our salvation.

Wait until we are meant to know.

431 posted on 08/09/2019 7:23:23 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Affirmative sir.


432 posted on 08/09/2019 8:27:16 AM PDT by Mark17 (Master Sgt, US Air Force, retired. Air traffic controller. Father of US Air Force 2nd Lieutenant)
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To: MDLION; Elsie; Iscool
God forbid, if someone were to point a gun at you or at me and tell us to deny our faith in Christ, the temptation would be to deny our faith in Christ so as to preserve our life with the idea of repenting later. If we denied our faith and then the person pulled the trigger and killed us, what would become of us? Christ says that whoever denies him before men, He will deny before His Heavenly Father. Wouldn’t we be lost?

Was Peter lost when he denied Jesus THREE times?

What was Jesus's response to that?

Jesus says many will try to enter the kingdom but will not be strong enough.

Chapter and verse?

433 posted on 08/09/2019 9:07:32 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: ebb tide; imardmd1; boatbums; aMorePerfectUnion; mitch5501; Elsie; Iscool; Mark17; Mom MD; ...
Your problem is that not ONE of the posts you keep referring to support your contention that you posted in post 420, which is.....

ebb tide: "Protestant" doesn't mean that. "Protestant" means once "saved", always "saved" according to some posters on this forum.

I have yet to see ONE person claim that the word *Protestant* means *Once saved, always saved*.

Your pings to me do NOT prove your claim in post 420.

434 posted on 08/09/2019 9:23:38 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: ravenwolf; Mom MD

If she’s wrong, then tell her what’s right.

WAY too many people just lob out *YOU’RE WRONG* and drop out without offering any worthwhile contribution to the discussion.

I’m not going to believe anyone who comes along and says *You’re WRONG! Nyah, nyah, nyah!* without offering what they thing is the right thing. In that case, it’s just an opinion that can’t even be considered valid because the person stating it offers no proof of why they are right or WHAT is right.

If you don’t consider it worth defending what you think is right, then don’t bother trying to convince someone they are wrong with just your say so.


435 posted on 08/09/2019 9:31:00 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: ebb tide; Mom MD

Well, then, it takes a sick mind to say that we need to eat Jesus.


436 posted on 08/09/2019 9:32:01 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: ravenwolf; A strike

God chose her because she had the right lineage, or pedigree, if you will.

She was in the right place at the right time to fulfill Scripture. It has nothing to do with her being SO SPECIAL that God chose her. God is NOT a respecter of persons and for Him to pick her because of some alleged specialness of hers would cause Him to sin.


437 posted on 08/09/2019 9:35:36 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: ravenwolf
We still have those even today so it is not impossible that she was Pure in both body and spirit.

Yes it was because ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

Mary did not need to be pure to carry Jesus. She simply needed to be a virgin so that prophecy could be fulfilled.

438 posted on 08/09/2019 9:39:11 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: metmom
Mary did not need to be pure to carry Jesus. She simply needed to be a virgin so that prophecy could be fulfilled.

If Mary would have been sinless, she would have been just like Eve...And the Catholics call her the 2nd Eve...Except she would have had to be like Eve before the Fall...No death, no pain; perfect...Presumably she needed this state of being to produce her perfect son, Jesus...

But how perfect was Jesus in the flesh??? He, like Mary aged (unlike Eve)...Jesus experienced pain...And ultimately the flesh of Jesus (Mary's contribution to the life of Jesus) died...Mary had to have corrupted flesh to produce Jesus with a body that could suffer, and die...

Jesus was made in the form of a man with corrupted flesh, just as we are...The Catholic Mary was not made in the form of a human woman...Her flesh was perfect...Her blood was perfect...She couldn't have produced Jesus in that state...That's why God sent Jesus to be born of a human woman...So he could live in a human body of corruption and temptation...

They make these stories up that couldn't possibly be true and then call themselves the one, true church...The Catholics that do start to read and believe the Bible ultimately leave the Catholic religion...

439 posted on 08/09/2019 3:47:08 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool

You guys are hilarious!

Y’all make these pronouncements about what God would or wouldn’t do like kids that think they know snowboarding from all their Xbox experience.

You have the Book. Anything beyond that is just arguing with yourselves over whose dad is tougher.


440 posted on 08/09/2019 4:08:05 PM PDT by papertyger (Trump, A president so great, that Democrats who said they would leave America if he won, stayed!)
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