Why Heretics Hate Mary and We Should Love Her More

One Peter Five ^ | August 5, 2019 | Timothy Flanders

[MHGinTN]

I didn’t expect your Catholic Org mind to get the points of the lesson, but someone has taught you a few of them.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Jesus does not specify the word "title" or "official form of address" at all. You introduced that distinction into the discussion.

The actual phrase was, "Call no man on earth father" --- or master or teacher, in the next two phrases of the quote. Paul calls men on earth "fathers," "teachers," and "masters" quite freely.

And he calls himself father in the spiritual sense (1 Cor 4:15: "For I became your father in Jesus Christ through the Gospel") which is really even more germane.

Historically, American Protestant opposition to this is somehow both modern and quaint. According to studies done by Protestant historian David Holmes (LINK), American Protestants of all sorts called their clergy "Father" for over 200 years--- a practice that waned only when large numbers of Irish came into the U.S. after the Great Hunger of the late 1840's.

According to Holmes, (as cited above),

"Father" and "Mother" do not violate biblical nomenclature, and they have the sanction of Protestant tradition. Neither sacerdotal nor conventual, they have been employed by fervent Baptists as well as by biblicist Disciples of Christ. Not terms of self-exaltation, they were used voluntarily by congregations and colleagues to express affection and respect. More than "Mr.," "Mrs ," "Ms.," "Dame" or "Dr.," "Father" and "Mother" portray the strong familial nature of Christ’s church."

Historically, it was an anti-Irish polemical spirit that spurred American Protestants to refuse the term "Father," which before they had used.

Interestingly, "Father" was NOT used for secular (diocesan) Catholic priests --- outside of Ireland --- before this time, either. Secular priests were called "Mister," "Monsieur," "Don" or other vernacular equivalent. It was a distinctively Irish custom to say "Father," which did not catch on in the rest of the Church until Cardinal Henry Manning started promoting it in England, also in the 1840's.

Knowing your interest in history, I thought you would find this intriguing.

The Faiths of the Founding Fathers, by David Holmes

[MHGinTN]

Ah yes, the typical misdirection! The context is ignored to promote the Catholic Org (rhymes with Borg) religion’s explanation and support the antithesis of what JESUS was teaching.

[Mrs. Don-o]

I just wanted to underline that what I wrote about the American historic context for the word “father” was not something I found in Catholic apologetics. It was from the research of an American Protestant historian.

[Elsie]

This thing STILL going??

[Elsie]

The actual phrase was, "Call no man on earth father"

Well; I guess it's ok for Catholics to ignore THIS as well.

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Paul calls men on earth "fathers," "teachers," and "masters" quite freely.

I'll await your list of verses.

[Mrs. Don-o]

I've given this list of verses several times. Since I'm now working on a hymn collection for my parish, I haven't time to do it yet again.

So I advise you to do a User search on "Mrs Don-o" and from there do a word search for "father" --- or use the BibleGateway online concordance to make a nice big list from St. Paul's epistles. You can also include Acts and the Epistles of John to get even more.

It's easy. You'll find it rewarding.

[Elsie]

It's easy.

Then I'll expect it sometime tomorrow.

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Save it in a file next time.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Call no man father Placemarker

[Mark17]

I'll await your list of verses.

We might be 900 years into the millennial kingdom, before you get your list. 😁👎

[2nd amendment mama]

placemarker

[metmom]

Once upon a time a Pedophile priest raped altar boys repeatedly.

He was found out and the hierarchy moved him to another parish to continue the pattern, and hushed the whole thing up and told the victim and family they must never talk about it again.

He was allowed to continue in his priestly duties of administering sacraments, performing mass, consecrating the eucharist and anyone who questions is was told that *Once a priest, always a priest*.

So tell me, is THIS the One True church, body of Christ which is supposed to be the only way thorough which salvation MAY BE attained, but not guaranteed?

[metmom]

Nobody CLAIMS to hate Mary, however, many are ACCUSED of hating her.

And we know the source of accusations.

[metmom]

Sure He does.

It’s in the context of the discussion of spiritual leadership within religious framework.

He NEVER says that no child should not call his male parent *father*.

[Mrs. Don-o]

AMEN!

Exactamundo.

And for the dimension of spiritual leadership within a religious framework...

Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham’s offspring—not only to those who are of the law but also to those who have the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all.(Romans 4:16)

I appeal to you for my child Onesimus, whose father I became while I was in chains. (Philemon 1:10)

"In Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel." -Paul - (1 Cor. 4:15)

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[Mark17]

He NEVER says that no child should not call his male parent *father*.

Some just don’t get it, do they? Will they ever get it? If people can’t understand this simple concept, how on earth do we expect them to understand the plan of salvation? Praise God for assurance of salvation. 😁🤣👍 I have assurance of salvation. Do you think I care if someone doesn’t like it? Not even a little bit. 😀

[Mark17]

Nobody CLAIMS to hate Mary, however, many are ACCUSED of hating her.

And we know the source of accusations.

Hmmm, let me guess. Are the muzzards accusing us of hating Mary????? Am I close? Not even close??? Am I in the ballpark?😁😆😀🙃🤣

BTW, I sent you a pic of my son in his Air Force flight suit. 👍 He was in ground school all week. Monday, he gets into the left seat for the first time. 👍 I think I created a monster, by telling him, since he was a toddler, that he should fly. 👊 Right now, it looks like flying, is ALL he wants to do. 👍☝️

[ealgeone]

Monday, he gets into the left seat for the first time. 👍 I think I created a monster, by telling him, since he was a toddler, that he should fly. 👊 Right now, it looks like flying, is ALL he wants to do. 👍☝️

Awesome!

[ealgeone]

Yet, in all that you posted Paul never refers to himself as Father Paul.

That's the difference you're missing.