[ravenwolf]

I think you are right on there, but I believe Jesus was also eluding to
the future age when he said the gospel of the kingdom would be preached
to all of the world and then the end would come.

The gospel has only been preached to all of the world in our day, today
also if you read rev 17 you can see that it is speaking of another age.

There are seven kings, five are fallen, one is and one is yet to come,
I believe it is talking about empures which are Egypt, Assyria,Babalon,
Media Persia, Greece, and Rome.

Rome was in power in John’s day but all of these powers controlled Isreal
John then tells us of the seventh king or beast that would be wounded by
the sword but did live, history plainly tells us that the seventh empire
is none othan the holy Roman empire which in the mid sixteen hundreds was
wounded by the be sword but did live.

The pope was taken captive but later realeased to become the head of the
Woman who sat on many waters, a Catholic church on every nation on Earth
and she has committed fornication with the kings of the earth.

John also said there were ten kings who had received no kingdom as yet so
we know he was talking about a later time who will help the beast destroy
the whore and her daughters, the religious institutions.

We can see this happening before our very eyes, they are going against the
word of God with a lot of help from one government or another.

In rev 18:4 God tells his people to come out of her and be not partakers of
her sins.

[Cronos]

Matthew 24 is about the temple's destruction - it clearly starts and ends with that

14 And this gospel of the kingdom, shall be preached in the whole world, for a testimony to all nations, and then shall the consummation come.

15 When therefore you shall see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place: he that readeth let him understand.

16 Then they that are in Judea, let them flee to the mountains:

- and the Gospel was preached to the "nations" of that time in the sense of what was the known world to Jews - by 69 AD you had St. Thomas in India, you had Nicodemus in Scotland etc. - all the "nations" - many, in fact most of whom no longer exist had heard the Gospel

[Cronos]

There are 7 "Kings" - and that you must read the book of the Apocalypse closely

9 And here is the understanding that hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, upon which the woman sitteth, and they are seven kings:

10 Five are fallen, one is, and the other is not yet come: and when he is come, he must remain a short time

John was writing AT HIS TIME that 5 kings had already fallen -- he's not talking about Empires, he's talking about what they saw as "kings" - names the Princeps of the Roman Empire, as numbered by the non-Romans they were

1. Caesar
2. Augustus
3. Tiberius
4. Caligula
5. Claudius
6. Nero
7. Galba

5 have ALREADY fallen - and John was writing during the time of Nero, the 6-6-6. And Galba reigned for 6 months, "he must remain a short time"

[Cronos]

It is not about "empires" - Egypt is never included in the list of empires over Jerusalem. Egypt at the most kept Judaea and Israel as vassal states

your own numbering is

1. Egypt
2. Assyria
3. Babylon
4. Media-Persia
5. Greece
6. Rome

Rome is the 6th! And the Median Empire was co-existent with the Babylonians

Then you next say "the Holy Roman Empire" - that never controlled Jerusalem. It was neither Roman, nor an Empire!

The Roman Empire was not "wounded by the sword but did live" - it died in 1918.

The Pope was taken captive only in the sense of moving to Avalon - your timelines are all off

[Cronos]

and the head of the woman on the beast like you put it seems like

REvelation 17:1 is clearly just as the rest of the book of the Apocalypse talking of the city of Jerusalem.

Firstly note that the harlot is separate from the beast -- so it can't be that Rome was both the harlot and the beastThis is also evident in the words off the High priests at Christ's trial John 19:15 "We have no king but Caesar"

This is also very very clear about Rev 17:1 which references Jeremiah 51:13 which says that Babylon sits by many waters. This is how John is linking Jerusalem as the new Babylon.

This imagery of the Harlot is also exactly how God in the minor prophets describes Jerusalem - Isaiah 1:21 "How the faithful city has become a harlotThis is also in Hosea

1:2 The beginning of the Lord's speaking by Osse: and the Lord said to Osee: Go, take thee a wife of fornications, and have of her children of fornications: for the land by fornication shall depart from the Lord.

4:16 For Israel hath gone astray like a wanton heifer: now will the Lord feed them, as a lamb in a spacious place.

We go on to Rev 17:4 which talks of the harlot arrayed in purple and scarlet - this echos Jeremiah 4:30 But when thou art spoiled what wilt thou do? though thou deckest thee with ornaments of gold, and paintest thy eyes with stibic stone, thou shalt dress thyself out in vain: thy lovers have despised thee, they will seek thy life.

And even more so, REv 17:16 "And the beast will hate the harlot; they will make her desolate nad naked, and devour her flesh and burn her up with fire"

This is so, so clear about the Roman Empire burning down Jerusalem as at the 10th "King" Vespasian did,p>Remember that Jerusalem had dominion i.e. spiritual dominionThe fall of the harlot-city happened in 69 AD in the same generation that had killed the Christ - Christ crucified in 30 AD and within 40 years (one generation) Jerusalem destroyed.