Posted on 07/23/2019 5:26:09 AM PDT by Cronos
Going to prepare a place, if it was here why would he say that, exactly.
As I understand scripture, all Christians are the remnant of Israel. For the first 15 years or so the remnant was made up solely of Jewish people. However, we have been “grafted into” this remnant. This is the only true remnant of Israel.
That is not a Christian belief but a Sanatana Dharma belief that there is no separation between creator and created.
Christianity believes that the created is distinct from the creator. Hinduism believes that in everyone is, literally, God
don't mix the two up
We are much in agreement.
The upcoming period of tribulation is to create suffering in order to turn people toward God. People like to think they are incontrol, until bad things start to happen.
Tribulation forces the ego to surrender and make room for God. At a lower level it is horrible, but if you rise up above it and see its purpose, it is wonderful. That is what rapture is. Merely being raised up in consciousness. As a neuroscience researcher, I can explain this process in medical and scientific terms.
It is much more difficult to experience by walking the walk than having the knowledge and merely talk the talk.
John 14:3 is not about the “left behind” rapture but about heaven when we die.
Rom 5:9 and I Thess 5:9 both tell us that Christ will not allow His bride to endure the wrath of God (which is what the final seven-year period of Daniel, aka the Tribulation, or time of Jacob's trouble actually is). This not merely mean eternity in hell, it means any wrath of God. To say otherwise is to completely miscomprehend what the grace of God even means (which, admittedly, is something that almost no Catholics undersatand).
The rapture fiction is just incorrect, but the correct thing is, as you said, to be prepared each day to live with Christ
24 And Jesus being come out of the temple, went away. And his disciples came to shew him the buildings of the temple.2 And he answering, said to them: Do you see all these things? Amen I say to you there shall not be left here a stone upon a stone that shall not be destroyed.
3 And when he was sitting on mount Olivet, the disciples came to him privately, saying: Tell us when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the consummation of the world?
4 And Jesus answering, said to them: Take heed that no man seduce you:
5 For many will come in my name saying, I am Christ: and they will seduce many.
6 And you shall hear of wars and rumours of wars. See that ye be not troubled. For these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; and there shall be pestilences, and famines, and earthquakes in places:
8 Now all these are the beginnings of sorrows.
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall put you to death: and you shall be hated by all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be scandalized: and shall betray one another: and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall seduce many.
12 And because iniquity hath abounded, the charity of many shall grow cold.
13 But he that shall persevere to the end, he shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom, shall be preached in the whole world, for a testimony to all nations, and then shall the consummation come.
15 When therefore you shall see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place: he that readeth let him understand.
16 Then they that are in Judea, let them flee to the mountains:
17 And he that is on the housetop, let him not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 And he that is in the field, let him not go back to take his coat.
19 And woe to them that are with child, and that give suck in those days.
20 But pray that your flight be not in the winter, or on the sabbath.
21 For there shall be then great tribulation, such as hath not been from the beginning of the world until now, neither shall be.
22 And unless those days had been shortened, no flesh should be saved: but for the sake of the elect those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say to you: Lo here is Christ, or there, do not believe him.
24 For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect.
25 Behold I have told it to you, beforehand.
26 If therefore they shall say to you: Behold he is in the desert, go ye not out: Behold he is in the closets, believe it not.
27 For as lightning cometh out of the east, and appeareth even into the west: so shall the coming of the Son of man be.
28 Wheresoever the body shall be, there shall the eagles also be gathered together.
29 And immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun shall be darkened and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven shall be moved:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all tribes of the earth mourn: and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with much power and majesty.
31 And he shall send his angels with a trumpet, and a great voice: and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the farthest parts of the heavens to the utmost bounds of them.
32 And from the fig tree learn a parable: When the branch thereof is now tender, and the leaves come forth, you know that summer is nigh.
33 So you also, when you shall see all these things, know ye that it is nigh, even at the doors.
34 Amen I say to you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass, but my words shall not pass.
36 But of that day and hour no one knoweth, not the angels of heaven, but the Father alone.
37 And as in the days of Noe, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, even till that day in which Noe entered into the ark,
39 And they knew not till the flood came, and took them all away; so also shall the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then two shall be in the field: one shall be taken, and one shall be left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill: one shall be taken, and one shall be left.
42 Watch ye therefore, because ye know not what hour your Lord will come.
we’re talking of the “left behind” rapture false concept
Yet given credit to whom credit (blame) is due:
“Another suggestion traces the influence to a Jesuit priest, Manuel Lacunza (1731-1801), who was born in Chile but came to Italy in 1767 where he would spend the rest of his life. Posing as a converted Jew (under the pseudonym Juan Josafat Ben Ezra), he wrote, in Spanish, a large apocalyptic work entitled The Coming of the Messiah in Glory and Majesty. The book appeared first in 1811, 10 years after his death. http://www.americancatholic.org/Newsletters/CU/ac1005.asp
Another influence is said to be a Jesuit priest named Francisco Ribera (1537–1591) was a Spanish Jesuit theologian, identified with the Futurist Christian eschatological view.
“In the Dictionary of Premillennial Theology (1997) it is said that Ribera was an Augustinian amillennialist, who may have revived a “mild” form of futurism.[1] His interpretation was then followed by Robert Bellarmine and Thomas Malvenda.[2]
Thomas Brightman, in particular, writing in the early 17th century as an English Protestant, contested Ribera’s views. He argued that the Catholic use of the Vulgate had withheld commentary from the Book of Revelation, and then provided an interpretation avoiding the connection with the Papacy put forward in the historicist point of view.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_Lacunza
Ribera “in the days of the Reformation, first taught that all the events in the book of Revelation were to take place literally during the three and a half years reign of the antichrist way down at the end of the age.” http://www.theologue.org/Theory-JPEby.html (Protestant source, which gives the most lengthy explanation).
“He won’t “catch you up” - except at the point of your death. There is no such “left behind”
Thanks for sharing your opinion.
I just don’t believe your opinion is true.
Plus the article and its hermeneutics are poor.
As a backup, stand close to me and I’ll grab you at takeoff.
In the end, I’m His, saved, sealed, and assured.
Whether I am raptured or physically die first doesn’t matter. It’s His call.
Either way, I’m His.
The book of the Apocalypse, along with Matthew 24 references this Great Tribulation with the destruction of the 2nd Temple ending sacrifices, ending the 2nd temple Jewish world
Sorry but scripture teaches both the immanence and transcendence of God.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom, shall be preached in the whole world, for a testimony to all nations, and then shall the consummation come.- and the Gospel was preached to the "nations" of that time in the sense of what was the known world to Jews - by 69 AD you had St. Thomas in India, you had Nicodemus in Scotland etc. - all the "nations" - many, in fact most of whom no longer exist had heard the Gospel
15 When therefore you shall see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place: he that readeth let him understand.
16 Then they that are in Judea, let them flee to the mountains:
The popular version of the rapture came about around the mid-to-late 1800’s; see John Nelson Darby.
It didn’t get widespread coverage till “Late Great Planet Earth” book came out.
Major denominations such as Catholic, Presbyterian, Lutheran didn’t teach it.
9 And here is the understanding that hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, upon which the woman sitteth, and they are seven kings:
10 Five are fallen, one is, and the other is not yet come: and when he is come, he must remain a short time
John was writing AT HIS TIME that 5 kings had already fallen -- he's not talking about Empires, he's talking about what they saw as "kings" - names the Princeps of the Roman Empire, as numbered by the non-Romans they were
5 have ALREADY fallen - and John was writing during the time of Nero, the 6-6-6. And Galba reigned for 6 months, "he must remain a short time"
your own numbering is
Rome is the 6th! And the Median Empire was co-existent with the Babylonians
Then you next say "the Holy Roman Empire" - that never controlled Jerusalem. It was neither Roman, nor an Empire!
The Roman Empire was not "wounded by the sword but did live" - it died in 1918.
The Pope was taken captive only in the sense of moving to Avalon - your timelines are all off
Preterism is the only eschatological system which stands or falls on the date of a book.
I consider dead works to be a subset of sin because they are sin. Unlike man, God knows motive. And they are missing the mark, which makes them sin.
However, I’m trying to explain, in a few sentences, something that could be explained in a few books. ;)
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